So if Suger Ray Robinson quit then whats the big deal about other fighters quitting?

[andrewcuff]

He's referring to the Joey Maxim fight at 175 lbs. I believe it was for Maxim's LWH title and SRR could not continue due to the sweltering heat in the ring. I think they had to switch out the referee at one point because the referee had collapsed from exhaustion.

I had a feeling that is what he had in mind. That is not quitting. That is heat exhaustion. Big difference.

[TheGreatA]

Can you please clarify what your post means? Because it sounds like you're calling Robinson a quitter without actually calling him a quitter.

Did you watch the clip of the end of the fight? Robinson didn't quit, his body did. He had no choice in the matter, his body shut down. Saying that Robinson quit is like saying someone who dies of a heart attack is a quitter because they were too ***** to live without oxygen and blood.

And what's there to think about? Please explain.

I uploaded the clip anyway.

This topic isn't about Robinson quitting, it's about the fact that even the great ones have quit in the ring.

[Libido Sanchez]

Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough.

What I was saying is that there are a lot of people who believe that boxers should "fight to death" and that quitting on your stool is "dishonourable".

As an example, Max Kellerman recently stated that he could never consider Israel Vasquez a great fighter because Vasquez quit in a fight.

This is a bit silly considering that many of the past greats have quit on their stool, including Roberto Duran, Willie Pep, even the toughest of the toughest the great Sam Langford.

Robinson too, had to give up a fight he was winning because he was near death from exhaustion.

I hesitate to use the word "quit" in situations such as this because a lot of people think as if it's cowardly. If you want to see a quitter then you should watch Hasim Rahman-Mario Cawley.

Cool, thanks, man for responding (and uploading the clip). I agree the word "quit" can be problematic. People list Vasquez, DLH and Guerrero all as quitters now, but each case is different. Some people just lump it all together without distinction.

[Ryn0]

The story is Ray didn't want to come out for the 14th round. Heat exhaustion was the cause. Where dd you hear he stopped it?

Watch the video....

[TheGreatA]

Watch the video....

Robinson failed to answer the bell and thus the fight was stopped.

[King Koopa]

He quit against Joey Maxim when he tried to win the Light HW Title.

Read Robinson's book, he didn't quit....he doesn't even remember what happened

His trainer gave him a detailed account how he collapsed and wouldn't respond in the corner

Again, it's all in his book. Very good book too

[S A M U R A I]

Watch the video....

I did (although with the sound turned off), plus I have documentaries on SRR which talk about it. I thought you were saying the ref stopped it at the request of Ray? Maybe I misunderstood your other post.



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[joseph5620]

Seriously why should a fighter risk injury or death for a few beer swilling ******s in the stands?

I don't see why a fighter has to risk injury to somehow prove his mascualinity when the sheer fact that he's getting in the ring makes him more of a man than 99% of the Earth's population.

Some of you guys need to realize the boxing isn't and shouldn't be a life a death struggle. It's a ***ing sport and even if every boxing fan in the world fell over and died there would still be people in gym's learning the sweet science out of sheer love for the sport.

Grow up people.

Robinson was well ahead on the scorecards when he collasped from the heat. That's different froma fighter getting his ass kicked and quitting. I don't like to use the word "quit" when a fighter can't continue. It's a BS term and Robinson didn't do anything like what Duran did. You can't compare the two in any way.

[joseph5620]

I had a feeling that is what he had in mind. That is not quitting. That is heat exhaustion. Big difference.

Exactly. Some people either don't know the difference or just pretend they don't know.

[GrizzleBoy]

Robinson was well ahead on the scorecards when he collasped from the heat. That's different froma fighter getting his ass kicked and quitting. I don't like to use the word "quit" when a fighter can't continue. It's a BS term and Robinson didn't do anything like what Duran did. You can't compare the two in any way.

Exactly.

Trying your hardest till you're hardly able to stand up to the point where you feint is quitting?

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but is that not the very OPPOSITE of quitting?