Why Won't Anyone Admit Barrera Was Robbed!?

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    #81
    Originally posted by ®ich Loc
    Why Won't Anyone Admit Barrera Was Robbed?
    Monday, March 16, 2009
    Posted By Dave "Large" Larzelere 2:30 PM


    Here is the indisputable fact of the Amir Khan/Marco Antonio Barrera travesty that took place in Manchester this past Saturday night -- Barrera was robbed. The whole thing was an absolute joke and the referee and doctor on the scene should be ashamed of themselves, as should Khan and his handlers for carrying on as if this was a remarkable victory instead of a complete miscarriage of justice.
    (If you didn’t see the fight, here it is in its entirety, in HDizzle no less.)

    If you’re disinclined to watch that whole vid right now, let me just explain to you all that you need to know about this fight. In the first round, a colossal and completely accidental clashing of heads opened a cut on Barrera’s forehead around his hairline. It was a long and deep gash that sent sheets of blood pouring down into Barrera’s left eye, so bad that I say without reservation that it was at least one of the five worst cuts I’ve ever seen a fighter endure in all my years of watching fights.

    Given the severity of the wound, here is what should have happened: The referee should have immediately interrupted the action and had the cut inspected by the ringside doctor, at which point the doctor either would have stopped the fight right then and there, or given Barrera, at his volition, one more round to see if his corner could stop the massive bleeding that was so dramatically impairing his vision. Because the cut was much too bad to be stopped his corner, the fight then unquestionably would have been stopped during the second round when it became clear that the flow of blood was going to continue unabated and make fighting impossible for Barrera. In that the cut was caused by an accidental clash of heads, the bout would have been ruled a no-contest. Which would have been a massive drag, but it happens in there, and it’s the only fair thing to do, because no one deserves to lose a fight that way.

    So, that’s the way it should have gone. Here’s the way it did go: The referee didn’t refer Barrera to the ringside doctor until the fourth round despite that he fought the rest of the first and the ensuing three rounds with a face full of blood that blinded his left eye and made him all but helpless to Khan’s right hand. As far as I could see, the ringside doctor didn’t even venture over to Barrera’s corner to inspect the cut during that entire time. It was if nothing had happened.

    When the doctor did look at the cut in the middle of the fourth, he let the fight keep going before finally stopping it in the fifth round. The reason for that delay couldn’t be more obvious, and calculated, and crooked. Once it goes into the fifth round, any fight stopped by a cut resulting from an accidental head-butt goes to the scorecards for a decision, whereas short of five rounds, it is ruled a no contest. You see where this is going, I imagine. After the cut happened, and the blood made a mask of his face, Barrera was highly vulnerable in there. He fought nobly, as is his way, but he was a one-eyed fighter in retreat. Khan, who admittedly has great speed and accuracy, had an absolute field day picking apart the wounded Mexican.

    And with the fight stopped in the fifth, the scorecards predictably read a unanimous rout for Khan, who celebrated as if he had actually won something and not been the beneficiary of a blatant bit of home-cooking. While Khan beat his chest, Barrera paced the ring flabbergasted at what had just transpired. “I was cut very badly,” he said with disgust in his post-fight interview. “They should have stopped the fight in the first round.”

    Let’s cut back two Saturday’s ago for a moment here and revisit the Robert Guerrero/Daud Yordan fight on HBO’s Boxing After Dark card in San Jose. Guerrero was badly cut above his right eye in the second round. The ref did the right thing, immediately halting the action and directing Guerrero to the ringside doctor, who stopped the fight then and there, seemingly at Guerrero’s urging. Guerrero has since taken a lot of flak for that behavior, because he was fighting on a big-time HBO card in front of his hometown fans and boxing is a sport where quitting is never looked upon fondly in any circumstances.

    Given what became of Barrera over in Manchester, however, Guerrero’s decision looks pretty sound in retrospect. Boxing is a violent game of human speed chess where moves and counter-moves are made in a matter of milliseconds. It’s a hard enough game to play with both eyes open wide. If one of them gets closed by forces beyond your control, why risk suffering a loss, and a beating, that you simply don’t deserve?

    The thing is, Barrera is the genuine embodiment of The Mexican Warrior, not to mention the fact that he’s a living legend and future Hall-of-Famer. He would never pull out of a fight like Guerrero did or ask a doctor to stop a fight, not in a million years, not even if it were clearly in his best interest to do so. That’s the referee’s and the doctor’s job, to protect a fighter both in the interests of his health and the general fairness and integrity of the sport.

    In this case, with a packed house of rabid Manchurians present and much at stake for Khan’s future, integrity was thrown out the window, and with it the career of one of the greatest fighters of this generation. I don’t understand why more outrage isn’t being expressed by the boxing community about the situation at the moment, why everyone seems so willing to sign on to the presiding interpretation of what happened Saturday night -- that Khan destroyed a past-his-prime Barrera and looked great in doing so.

    As for Khan looking great, let me say that I guarantee you two things: 1) If Khan had suffered that cut and the fight had been allowed to continue, Barrera would have looked equally dominant in destroying Khan, and 2) If Khan had suffered that cut, we never would have seen Barrera’s dominance, because the fight would have been stopped in either the first or second round like it should have been.

    In conclusion, do I think Khan would have beaten Barrera on a level playing field? I honestly don’t know. Based on what I saw in the 90 seconds or so before Barrera was cut, I think it was going to be a very good fight, with Khan moving backwards and sharp-shooting his laser combos while Barrera stalked and looked for that one perfect counter that would prove the equalizer.

    Now, though, we’ll never find out, as the press on both sides of the Atlantic bizarrely sees fit to hail Khan for an impressive and redemptive victory over a faded legend. Only Khan himself has the power to set the whole thing straight right now, and if he had any guts, he would drop his “I proved my point” sham routine, admit that he was the victor of a highly dubious contest and the only just thing to do about it is give Barrera a rematch.

    Will he do that? Of course not, and to that I say shame on him, and shame on them all.
    Yea I agree, It even looked like Khan was already fading, as he couldn't hurt Barrera.

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    • Roger Mellie
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      #82
      I would expect nothing less from the telegragph.

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        #83
        Originally posted by BennyST
        Well, not really, because Guerrero had it stopped and checked right when it happened, not three rounds later when he had realised that he simply had to fight with it completely impairing his vision.

        As it should have been, they really, really should have stopped it when it happened. It was a terrible cut and there was no way it was going to get better or that Barrera was going to be able to see through it.

        Guerrero had it stopped at the right time and his wasn't as bad as Barrera's either. Nonetheless, this is a sport for entertainment purposes, it is not a back-street alley brawl until the last one standing. Doctors are there for the fighters safety and that night they made a mockery of the whole damn thing.

        The fighter should never be the one that stops something like that anyway. The doctor is there for a purpose. That is because he is an expert in the field and he should have known that it needed to be stopped. It really is de****able. I don't even rate it a win for Khan because it wasn't. He did not beat Barrera, officials did though.

        Yes I agree the officials should have stopped it like in the Guerrero fight, because he complained he couldn't see. The fact still remains that Barrera could have did the same at any point after the cut(although he shouldn't have had to). But wtf, they let it go and dragged it out long enough just to get Kahn a win, which from the fans perspective means nothing, and the point I was making in the post earlier was that since the win means nothing in fans eyes it's worthless anyway, because public perception of a fighter is all that really matters.

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          #84
          Originally posted by danc1984
          MAB obviously deserves a rematch.
          Agreed.....

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          • James78
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            #85
            what worried me with the cut was the fact that it was in the exact spot that Marco had an operation on and metal plates inserted some years ago, the cut was so bad I was half expecting a big chunk of metal to fall out of his head! They did kind of screw him over.

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            • GrizzleBoy
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              #86
              Originally posted by James78
              what worried me with the cut was the fact that it was in the exact spot that Marco had an operation on and metal plates inserted some years ago, the cut was so bad I was half expecting a big chunk of metal to fall out of his head! They did kind of screw him over.
              Woah!

              I didn't actually know that.

              What were they put in for?

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              • Spacey1991
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                #87
                Originally posted by GrizzleBoy
                It doesn't matter that it was nobodies fault and I also think that robbed is a harsh word, but it is bull**** and people have a right to voice themselves on the bull**** call without being called bitter because this is the kind of **** we dont need in boxing.

                Anyway, like I've said before. We only saw just under two minutes of a Barerra without an already fight ending cut that:

                -Messed up his rhythm- Having your left eye closed means you have to square your body up more to be able to see your opponents right hands better and also means you have to square your body up while punching e.g. in your normal stance, the bridge of your nose would obscure the vision of your right eye when throwing a proper left hook. The only other option is to throw it with a square body, which removes the power since the power comes from body rotation, or throw it blind and hope for the best (which is actually what Barerra satarted doing).

                -Forced him to adopt the losing strategy of trying to outbox/potshot the taller, longer armed opponent in an attempt to minimize the amount of damage the cut everyone including MAB knew would end the fight unless he KO'd Khan inside 4 rounds.

                The cut was a bigger factor than a lot of people will admit and I pretty much dont count what happened afterwards as a fight since you can clearly see the big effect it had on Barerra.

                He never covered up on the ropes until the exact moment the headclash happened and from that moment he kept on doing it while he tried to protect the cut.

                Before it happened:

                -Barerra didn't look hopeless at all, obviously not his best, but there's no way you can come to a conclusion he was shot IMO just because someone who is younger and known for their handspeed was looking good and fast.

                -He still had snap in his punches.

                -He was on his toes skipping around, not plodding like many people have said.

                You say you think Khan would've won, but nobody knows that. There are a lot of other factors apart from handspeed that nobody is looking at that someone else could easily say that Khan may not have won.

                1.Khan has a habit of losing concentration under pressure. We didn't get a chance to see Khan withstand any pressure because I'm sure as soon as he saw that cut in round one, like most of us he knew it was over already. All you had to do was touch it and blood spewed everywhere (ask the cutman).

                2.Khans punches (before the cut) weren't phasing Barerra much, if at all. Even the ones that looked really good. Barerra walked through his flurries a number of times in order to land a shot of his own.

                2.Khan's also known to gas a little towards the end of a fight and he's only gone 12 rounds ONE time. If Barerra played his cards right and conserved his energy right, and kept aiming for the body like he did with the hooks he unleashed right at the beginning of the bout, Khan may well have slowed down as the fight went on which would mean that his biggest asset would have been taken away.

                3.Khan has a dodgy chin and has been seen to be dizzied by jabs (prescott fight). If Barerra landed one good one at any time, enough to dizzy Khan and let him go to work on him, it could have been the end.

                You never know what could happen, so there's no way anyone could really say "Khan would win anyway", ESPECIALLY when he's so chinny.

                There are millions of other factors that go on in a boxing ring that determine the way a fight will go, but droves and droves of people are overlooking them all in preference of Khans speed.

                If boxing was so predictable we could tell the outcome of a fight after just under two minutes of round (like the people who say "Khan would win cut or no cut because he looked good before it happened"), I doubt I or many of us would love it so much.

                lots of words
                I agree with what your saying, he was unfortunate... but to say he was robbed is harsh, and Richloc has done nothing but talked **** about it since... a rematch would help solve things but Barrera looks past it to be fair so it wouldn't prove anything is Khan was to win.

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                  Originally posted by Richloc "The thing is, Barrera is the genuine embodiment of The Mexican Warrior, not to mention the fact that he’s a living legend and future Hall-of-Famer. He would never pull out of a fight like Guerrero did or ask a doctor to stop a fight, not in a million years, not even if it were clearly in his best interest to do so. That’s the referee’s and the doctor’s job, to protect a fighter both in the interests of his health and the general fairness and integrity of the sport."

                  I see what you are saying, but your own words could hint to one conceivable reason why the did not stop it in the first. Barrera is a living legend and the refs could have had so much respect for him that if they had stopped the fight, it may have seemed like robbing a legend of an opportunity to win. It should have been clear to Barrera that after the doctors looked at it the first time and did nothing, that he would have to be responsible for getting the fight stopped as a ND; instead, he keeps going like the warrior he is and this is what it got him.

                  I get tired of people making excuses for stuff. Yeah, I think that the refs were pro Khan and they stopped it in the 5th intentionally. I mean comon, why would they do anything different when Barrera made it so easy for them? They asked him if he could continue and he said yes...or at least he did not say "the blood is in my eye and I can't see the punches" to the doctor when he asked him.

                  The doctors could have let the fight go on too and Barrera would have probably passed out in rd 6 or 7 from blood loss anyway. If I though that I was going to get shafted in that kind of a fight and I had a 4 inch gash on my forehead.....damn right I'm telling the ref and doc that I can't see- I'll fight him another day when it is a fair fight. I would not let pride hold me back from making the right choice, screw what the public says about it- it is not their forehead or their life.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by James78
                    what worried me with the cut was the fact that it was in the exact spot that Marco had an operation on and metal plates inserted some years ago, the cut was so bad I was half expecting a big chunk of metal to fall out of his head! They did kind of screw him over.
                    It was no where near where he had the metal plates inserted. They were inserted in the back of his head not the front.

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                    • GrizzleBoy
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by mathed
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                      Originally posted by Richloc "The thing is, Barrera is the genuine embodiment of The Mexican Warrior, not to mention the fact that he’s a living legend and future Hall-of-Famer. He would never pull out of a fight like Guerrero did or ask a doctor to stop a fight, not in a million years, not even if it were clearly in his best interest to do so. That’s the referee’s and the doctor’s job, to protect a fighter both in the interests of his health and the general fairness and integrity of the sport."

                      I see what you are saying, but your own words could hint to one conceivable reason why the did not stop it in the first. Barrera is a living legend and the refs could have had so much respect for him that if they had stopped the fight, it may have seemed like robbing a legend of an opportunity to win. It should have been clear to Barrera that after the doctors looked at it the first time and did nothing, that he would have to be responsible for getting the fight stopped as a ND; instead, he keeps going like the warrior he is and this is what it got him.

                      I get tired of people making excuses for stuff. Yeah, I think that the refs were pro Khan and they stopped it in the 5th intentionally. I mean comon, why would they do anything different when Barrera made it so easy for them? They asked him if he could continue and he said yes...or at least he did not say "the blood is in my eye and I can't see the punches" to the doctor when he asked him.

                      The doctors could have let the fight go on too and Barrera would have probably passed out in rd 6 or 7 from blood loss anyway. If I though that I was going to get shafted in that kind of a fight and I had a 4 inch gash on my forehead.....damn right I'm telling the ref and doc that I can't see- I'll fight him another day when it is a fair fight. I would not let pride hold me back from making the right choice, screw what the public says about it- it is not their forehead or their life.
                      On the other hand, you could say that the doc/ref had so little respect for him, that they allowed him to continue with a cut was stopping him from seeing properly, couldn't close/wouldn't/wasn't closing, and that was clearly bad enough for anyone to be pulled out of the ring by their cup but let him suffer five rounds of being hit on it with right hands he couldn't see.

                      I can understand giving him one more round to do what he can. Maybe two, but after that, and it's clear the cut isn't closing, there is no other option than to stop the fight and they should've done their job.

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