Why Won't Anyone Admit Barrera Was Robbed!?

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  • GrizzleBoy
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    #101
    Originally posted by AssasinKing
    He wobbled him a few times in the fight, obviously not to the point where someone is about to fall over but i mean this was the opening rounds it would have only of got worse for barrera....and im sure he did in the first round as well....and the way khan came out my point was, he was acting as if he has great defence and doesnt have a weak chin, like going toe to toe with a huge puncher.... and your right i wasnt aware of prescott but when i heard the match up i started researching bout him, wasnt much to find tho. And what i should of said was i think he will be one of the best lightweights....
    Reference me to a video or something and show me the time at which Barerra was wobbled by Khans punch before the cut.

    Actually even after the cut, I never saw Barerra stumble from Khans punch.

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    • mathed
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      #102
      Originally posted by GrizzleBoy
      On the other hand, you could say that the doc/ref had so little respect for him, that they allowed him to continue with a cut was stopping him from seeing properly, couldn't close/wouldn't/wasn't closing, and that was clearly bad enough for anyone to be pulled out of the ring by their cup but let him suffer five rounds of being hit on it with right hands he couldn't see.

      I can understand giving him one more round to do what he can. Maybe two, but after that, and it's clear the cut isn't closing, there is no other option than to stop the fight and they should've done their job.

      The main point that I was trying to make is that he should have not have allowed the decision to be in the hands of the doctors period. He should have known after they let him keep fighting that he would have to tell them to stop the fight due to the cut on the forehead. He just kept fighting, when he should have said something to the ref or doctor and fought Khan another day.

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      • GrizzleBoy
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        #103
        Originally posted by mathed
        The main point that I was trying to make is that he should have not have allowed the decision to be in the hands of the doctors period. He should have known after they let him keep fighting that he would have to tell them to stop the fight due to the cut on the forehead. He just kept fighting, when he should have said something to the ref or doctor and fought Khan another day.
        Are you ****ting me?

        "he should have not have allowed the decision to be in the hands of the doctors period."......

        So basically it's Barerras fault that the doctor didn't do his job?

        Barerra had too much pride in his sport and too much respect for the people that look at him as their hero, to ***** out and say "I'm not fighting anymore, I quit" and it's not his job to have to do so when the cut is so bad that even you yourself think it should have been stopped.

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        • James78
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          #104
          Originally posted by ®ich Loc
          It was no where near where he had the metal plates inserted. They were inserted in the back of his head not the front.
          Mate I watched an interview LAST NIGHT from before the first time he fought Pac and Larry Merchant asked him to show exactly were the metal was put and he pointed to the exact spot he was cut so no offense but you are talking **** lol!

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          • BOLLOCKS
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            #105
            In the first two minutes Barrera was slipping and blocking well. I rewatched the fight twice yesterday, in the 2minutes before the fight Khan landed 7/8 punches the majority of those flashy looking flurries missed. The outcome far from being clear, it's marred by the fact that one man was severely disadvantaged by a terrible cut.

            A NC would have been the correct decision and I repeat if the officials don't have the backbone to make that decision then they shouldn't be allowed to officiate.

            If the cut had happened late in the fight, ok let it go on for a couple of rounds but not when a cut that big, that deep and bleeding so much happens in the first round.

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            • squealpiggy
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              #106
              Originally posted by ®ich Loc
              Why Won't Anyone Admit Barrera Was Robbed?
              Monday, March 16, 2009
              Posted By Dave "Large" Larzelere 2:30 PM


              Here is the indisputable fact of the Amir Khan/Marco Antonio Barrera travesty that took place in Manchester this past Saturday night -- Barrera was robbed. The whole thing was an absolute joke and the referee and doctor on the scene should be ashamed of themselves, as should Khan and his handlers for carrying on as if this was a remarkable victory instead of a complete miscarriage of justice.
              (If you didn’t see the fight, here it is in its entirety, in HDizzle no less.)

              If you’re disinclined to watch that whole vid right now, let me just explain to you all that you need to know about this fight. In the first round, a colossal and completely accidental clashing of heads opened a cut on Barrera’s forehead around his hairline. It was a long and deep gash that sent sheets of blood pouring down into Barrera’s left eye, so bad that I say without reservation that it was at least one of the five worst cuts I’ve ever seen a fighter endure in all my years of watching fights.

              Given the severity of the wound, here is what should have happened: The referee should have immediately interrupted the action and had the cut inspected by the ringside doctor, at which point the doctor either would have stopped the fight right then and there, or given Barrera, at his volition, one more round to see if his corner could stop the massive bleeding that was so dramatically impairing his vision. Because the cut was much too bad to be stopped his corner, the fight then unquestionably would have been stopped during the second round when it became clear that the flow of blood was going to continue unabated and make fighting impossible for Barrera. In that the cut was caused by an accidental clash of heads, the bout would have been ruled a no-contest. Which would have been a massive drag, but it happens in there, and it’s the only fair thing to do, because no one deserves to lose a fight that way.

              So, that’s the way it should have gone. Here’s the way it did go: The referee didn’t refer Barrera to the ringside doctor until the fourth round despite that he fought the rest of the first and the ensuing three rounds with a face full of blood that blinded his left eye and made him all but helpless to Khan’s right hand. As far as I could see, the ringside doctor didn’t even venture over to Barrera’s corner to inspect the cut during that entire time. It was if nothing had happened.

              When the doctor did look at the cut in the middle of the fourth, he let the fight keep going before finally stopping it in the fifth round. The reason for that delay couldn’t be more obvious, and calculated, and crooked. Once it goes into the fifth round, any fight stopped by a cut resulting from an accidental head-butt goes to the scorecards for a decision, whereas short of five rounds, it is ruled a no contest. You see where this is going, I imagine. After the cut happened, and the blood made a mask of his face, Barrera was highly vulnerable in there. He fought nobly, as is his way, but he was a one-eyed fighter in retreat. Khan, who admittedly has great speed and accuracy, had an absolute field day picking apart the wounded Mexican.

              And with the fight stopped in the fifth, the scorecards predictably read a unanimous rout for Khan, who celebrated as if he had actually won something and not been the beneficiary of a blatant bit of home-cooking. While Khan beat his chest, Barrera paced the ring flabbergasted at what had just transpired. “I was cut very badly,” he said with disgust in his post-fight interview. “They should have stopped the fight in the first round.”

              Let’s cut back two Saturday’s ago for a moment here and revisit the Robert Guerrero/Daud Yordan fight on HBO’s Boxing After Dark card in San Jose. Guerrero was badly cut above his right eye in the second round. The ref did the right thing, immediately halting the action and directing Guerrero to the ringside doctor, who stopped the fight then and there, seemingly at Guerrero’s urging. Guerrero has since taken a lot of flak for that behavior, because he was fighting on a big-time HBO card in front of his hometown fans and boxing is a sport where quitting is never looked upon fondly in any circumstances.

              Given what became of Barrera over in Manchester, however, Guerrero’s decision looks pretty sound in retrospect. Boxing is a violent game of human speed chess where moves and counter-moves are made in a matter of milliseconds. It’s a hard enough game to play with both eyes open wide. If one of them gets closed by forces beyond your control, why risk suffering a loss, and a beating, that you simply don’t deserve?

              The thing is, Barrera is the genuine embodiment of The Mexican Warrior, not to mention the fact that he’s a living legend and future Hall-of-Famer. He would never pull out of a fight like Guerrero did or ask a doctor to stop a fight, not in a million years, not even if it were clearly in his best interest to do so. That’s the referee’s and the doctor’s job, to protect a fighter both in the interests of his health and the general fairness and integrity of the sport.

              In this case, with a packed house of rabid Manchurians present and much at stake for Khan’s future, integrity was thrown out the window, and with it the career of one of the greatest fighters of this generation. I don’t understand why more outrage isn’t being expressed by the boxing community about the situation at the moment, why everyone seems so willing to sign on to the presiding interpretation of what happened Saturday night -- that Khan destroyed a past-his-prime Barrera and looked great in doing so.

              As for Khan looking great, let me say that I guarantee you two things: 1) If Khan had suffered that cut and the fight had been allowed to continue, Barrera would have looked equally dominant in destroying Khan, and 2) If Khan had suffered that cut, we never would have seen Barrera’s dominance, because the fight would have been stopped in either the first or second round like it should have been.

              In conclusion, do I think Khan would have beaten Barrera on a level playing field? I honestly don’t know. Based on what I saw in the 90 seconds or so before Barrera was cut, I think it was going to be a very good fight, with Khan moving backwards and sharp-shooting his laser combos while Barrera stalked and looked for that one perfect counter that would prove the equalizer.

              Now, though, we’ll never find out, as the press on both sides of the Atlantic bizarrely sees fit to hail Khan for an impressive and redemptive victory over a faded legend. Only Khan himself has the power to set the whole thing straight right now, and if he had any guts, he would drop his “I proved my point” sham routine, admit that he was the victor of a highly dubious contest and the only just thing to do about it is give Barrera a rematch.

              Will he do that? Of course not, and to that I say shame on him, and shame on them all.
              You're saying that Barrera was robbed. Of a no contest. By Amir Khan.

              That's pretty fuckin funny.

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              • BOLLOCKS
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                #107
                Originally posted by squealpiggy
                You're saying that Barrera was robbed. Of a no contest. By Amir Khan.

                That's pretty fuckin funny.
                Are you saying that you actually think I wrote that long ass long article ?

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                • big paulie
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                  #108
                  Originally posted by mathed
                  The main point that I was trying to make is that he should have not have allowed the decision to be in the hands of the doctors period. He should have known after they let him keep fighting that he would have to tell them to stop the fight due to the cut on the forehead. He just kept fighting, when he should have said something to the ref or doctor and fought Khan another day.
                  If Barrera had said anything to that effect to the ref or doctor they would have stopped the fight and awarded the stoppage to Khan, Barrera would never quit, i mean can you imagine the pain getting punched on a cut that severe for four rounds? What Khan showed Barrera was nothing he hadnt encountered in his twenty years as a pro, most of them at world class level.
                  Anyone who has seen the Morales, Mcinney and Marquez fights to name a few know that Barrera wasnt going to fold under the pitty-pat shots of Khan, frustrated yes hurt no.
                  I truly believe that had the cut not occured that by the 7th rnd Khan would have been well ahead on the scorecards but that Marco's wealth of world class experience would have started to take over and turn the fight around for a late ko win.
                  I didnt notice it so much at the weigh in but more so in the ring that Barrera was in great shape, his body looked as good if not better than in the 2nd Pac fight, this along with the fact that he bought alot of his family over including wife and kids tells me he came to win.
                  The cut was as horrific when it happened as it was in the fith and doesnt take a genius to work out why that fight was allowed to go to the fith. Frank Warren has far too much influence in Britain and i for one will never see this fight as anything else other than a con job, and certainly not a loss for Marco Antonio Barrera.

                  Sorry for bringing this one back but still feeling disgusted at Barrera being allowed/made to box one-eyed for 4 rnds just so the promoters investment could get the 'w' on his record

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                  • Titing Kabayo
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                    #109
                    That stoppage was for good... Even if without a headbutt, barrera would have suffered more punishment... no way in hell could he beat amir that time... ad even in the rematch...

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                    • MaFu MoFo
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                      #110
                      The ref and the doctor should had stopped the fight before the 4th round was over. It did not matter what Barrera said or if he wanted to keep fighting or not.

                      I saw the fight and the cut was bad enough to stop the fight. THE ONLY POSIBLE AND LOGICAL REASON IT WAS STOPPED AFTER THE 4TH ROUND WAS BECAUSE KHAN WAS AHEAD ON THE CARDS, AND THEY WANTED TO GIVE HIM A NICE PATRIOTIC GIFT.

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