Hatton Sr. Says Ricky Craves the Pound-for-Pound Title

[Dave Rado]

Both were good enough to warrant credit. And actually not that many have stayed at one weight, many many many, many more move up than stay at one weight so I believe you must take that into consideration.

If you fail to realize it that is fine. I guess we can agree to disagree.

I'm not disagreeing that most fighters do move up in weight as their bodies develop, I'm just saying that some fighters carry their power and speed up with them, some don't, but that the rankings aren't based on that ability in practice, and Hopkins is a good example of that. Bob Foster is another good example - his ranking was not hurt by his inability to be competitive at Heavyweight.

[Dave Rado]

Honestly most people on here believe moving up is a factor whether you say it is or not.

It is a factor but in my opinion not a huge one in terms of The Ring's rankings in practice. Most people on here seem to believe Hatton is not currently ranked in the P4P top 10. But they are wrong. He is ranked #8.

[IMDAZED]

It is a factor but in my opinion not a huge one in terms of The Ring's rankings in practice. Most people on here seem to believe Hatton is not currently ranked in the P4P top 10. But they are wrong. He is ranked #8.

Why do you say that it's not? It absolutely is. The Ring does very much factor in moving up - as evidenced by Shane Mosley moving up and defeating Oscar, for instance.

[S A M U R A I]

You are nitpicking 1 incident. There are a million other exapples where the opposite is true.

Honestly most people on here believe moving up is a factor whether you say it is or not.

Yes, it helps, and it certainly helped solidify Pacquiao's status when he moved up to beat Diaz for the WBC World Lightweight Championship and HOF'er De La Hoya. Regardless of whether the P4P ranking system was actually created with weight jumps in mind, it does influence it to some degree. As I said in a much earlier post, it's Pacquiao's overall achievements -- including the success he's had at higher weights -- that have gotten him and kept him in the top spot.



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[Xcusemymood]

I'm not disagreeing that most fighters do move up in weight as their bodies develop, I'm just saying that some fighters carry their power and speed up with them, some don't, but that the rankings aren't based on that ability in practice, and Hopkins is a good example of that. Bob Foster is another good example - his ranking was not hurt by his inability to be competitive at Heavyweight.

I agree that they arent based solely on that. But it is a factor. Thats why I said I have no problem with Hatton being ranked in the top 10, but he will not be #1 by beating Pac.

[Xcusemymood]

Why do you say that it's not? It absolutely is. The Ring does very much factor in moving up - as evidenced by Shane Mosley moving up and defeating Oscar, for instance.

Thank you, good example. Two sides to every story.

[Dave Rado]

Why do you say that it's not? It absolutely is. The Ring does very much factor in moving up - as evidenced by Shane Mosley moving up and defeating Oscar, for instance.

I agree it's factored in, but I don't think it's a huge factor. I think the fact that DLH was already considered to be a future Hall of Famer and the fact that Mosley was already highly ranked were more important. Otherwise how do you explain Hopkins going to #1 after beating the naturally smaller Trinidad?

[Dave Rado]

I agree that they arent based solely on that. But it is a factor. Thats why I said I have no problem with Hatton being ranked in the top 10, but he will not be #1 by beating Pac.

I think almost everyone, including most of the knowledgable Hatton fans, agree that he won't be #1 solely on the basis of beating Pac (and I think he's unlikely to beat him anyway). But if he were to beat both Pac and JMM decisively, then I think there's a fairly good chance that The Ring would rate him at #1, although I think even that's far from certain. It would be interesting to know Cliff Rold's take on that, though.

[S A M U R A I]

I agree that they arent based solely on that. But it is a factor.

It really is. Let's make another example, although a very extreme one for the sake of getting the point across:

A very light fighter, maybe someone like Darchinyan, moves up to heavyweight and beats someone there. It wouldn't even have to be a good, highly-ranked heavyweight. If he did this, it would influence everyone's opinion of how good a fighter he is and affect his P4P status.

Weight does influence the system.



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[QUISQUEYA]

Tell Hatton Sr. that there is no such thing as "the pound-for-pound title"! It's not like he's fighting for a belt.

I'm getting sick of this. Hatton doesn't get to be P4P #1 by beating Pacquiao. I wish he'd shut up about it.

Ditto.

Hatton will beat Manny. And Marquez becomes P4P. PERIOD.