Hatton Sr. Says Ricky Craves the Pound-for-Pound Title

[IMDAZED]

You or I can't say what was in the minds of The Ring's ratings panel at that time. Based on several other examples including the Hopkins one, I think the fact that De La Hoya was considered an all time great fighting at his peak was a much more important factor in their minds than the fact he had moved up. You don't, and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Dude, DLH wasn't considered an ATG great then, he barely is considered one now if at all. In fact, his stature was fairly low at the time considering most thought he'd lost to Quartey, lost to Pea and shamefully ran against Tito. Not ot mention refused a rematch against all of the above AND Shane to go sing. Goodness.

Manny was already rated #2 when he beat Morales, and he got his #1 rating as soon as Mayweather retired. He solidified his #2 ranking with the second wins over Barrera and Morales, and the wins over Larios and Marquez. If he'd remained at 130lbs, I'm pretty sure he'd still be ranked #1, as long as he'd continued to win, and to fight impressively.

This is no different than what I said...that he was ranked pound for pound #1 at 130. Umm...ok.

Pacquiao would probably KO the (currently) second highest ranked Jnr Middleweight in less than 5 rounds (that happens to be Timothy Bradley). My point about the Hatton reference to Hopkins is simply that beating a truly elite fighter who has recently moved up to your weight has on at least one occasion given a fighter the #1 P4P ranking, even though that fighter had never themselves moved up in weight.

Timothy Bradley doesn't equal William Joppy and Manny Pacquiao probably KO'ing him in five is a theory. For all we know, Bradley sucks or is better than Hatton. What in God's name are you talking about??? And NO, NO, NO...the Pacquaio/Tito reference is WORLD's apart. Man, I'm through. We were going good till you started writing for the sake of just writing. This debate actually had a point a couple posts ago. Hatton won't be #1 if he beats Pac. Book it. Bet with me, whatever.

[Wrighty]

Does Hatton seriously think that he can con ppl into believing that if he wins he is the p4p champ. Maybe if he beat Pacquiao then Cotto and then Mosley all in the same year lol i might consider him no1 p4p.

[Dave Rado]

Hatton won't be #1 if he beats Pac. Book it. Bet with me, whatever.

That's what I've been saying all along. I keep saying I think he'd be ranked #3 at the highest, and that he'd be ranked lower than that if the win wasn't decisive. All we're disagreeing on is how much of a factor ability to move up is on the rankings in practice. We both agree it's a factor, but you think it's more of a factor than I do, that's all.

It's possible you may be right about the De La Hoya fight, although he was ranked P4P #1 shortly before it, and would still have been when he fought Mosley if he hadn't lost very controversially to Trinidad (and some boxing writers I read at the time did say he was a future all time great, even though you have good grounds for disagreeing with them). So given that, and given the Hopkins, Hagler, and Bob Foster examples (and I could give more), I still think ability to move up is much less of a factor than you think it is. Just my opinion. Shame Cliff Rold isn't following this thread, as it would be great to have his thoughts on this.

[JAS_JAS]

hatton will not become P4P #1 "IF" thats a big "IF" he beats MANNY period. those fools in england are WWAAAAYYY getting over their heads. in reality beating a naturally smaller fighter doesn't give you too much props. ^_^

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

If you beat the best,then you earn the right to call yourself the best.Most people on here have Pacman as No.1,but if Ricky beats him those same people are going to say it doesnt count because its Hatton? GTFOH!!!!! nobheads!

The P4P #1 slot is not a lineal title. Beating the man doesn't necessarily make you the man (although it can, depending).

Even if Hatton knocks seven shades out of Manny, Pac's achievements still tower over Ricky's.

[Pugilistic™]

Not this again........

[Da Hammer]

So after Pac beats the **** out of Hatton does he fall out of the top 10 P4P list??

[andrewcuff]

So after Pac beats the **** out of Hatton does he fall out of the top 10 P4P list??

Yeah, definately. What has he done in the last few years to deserve his place if he loses?

If he wins, he'll probably move up to around 5/6 on most lists, I would imagine.

[Da Hammer]

Yeah, definately. What has he done in the last few years to deserve his place if he loses?

If he wins, he'll probably move up to around 5/6 on most lists, I would imagine.

Yet Ricky thinks he automatically becomes #1 lmao ah seriously i dont think hatton will ever recover from hitting the ring post...

[Chups]

So after Pac beats the **** out of Hatton does he fall out of the top 10 P4P list??

Hatton definitely falls out of the P4P list. If he wins he moves up to number 4 or 5.