Hatton Sr. Says Ricky Craves the Pound-for-Pound Title

[Xcusemymood]

I agree it's factored in, but I don't think it's a huge factor. I think the fact that DLH was already considered to be a future Hall of Famer and the fact that Mosley was already highly ranked were more important. Otherwise how do you explain Hopkins going to #1 after beating the naturally smaller Trinidad?

Trinidad was widely believed to be the best Middleweight in the world and was 40and 0. It wasnt like he moved up for 1 fight.

[IMDAZED]

I agree it's factored in, but I don't think it's a huge factor. I think the fact that DLH was already considered to be a future Hall of Famer and the fact that Mosley was already highly ranked were more important. Otherwise how do you explain Hopkins going to #1 after beating the naturally smaller Trinidad?

Being already considered a HOF'er doesn't factor into it at all. How good you are right then and there does. Or else William Joppy would have leaped to #1 when he battered Roberto Duran. Shane moved to #1 because he leaped to 147 and two fights later, beat arguably the best fighter in that division (Tito having moved up).

How do I explain Hopkins going to #1? For starters, Hopkins was already top ten p4p before then. Tito was #1. And Tito was a fellow middleweight champ so no one at that time thought Hops was beating on a smaller man. Most thought he was going to get killed.

[S A M U R A I]

Ditto.

Hatton will beat Manny. And Marquez becomes P4P. PERIOD.

Probably correct, that's how it would go.



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[S A M U R A I]

Being already considered a HOF'er doesn't factor into it at all.

This is where I will disagree. I think it does have some influence. A HOF'er is a proven fighter, and if he is still active, I believe it will affect people's opinions. It wasn't long ago when Oscar pushed Mayweather to a split decision. Pacquaio was a huge underdog against Oscar. I think it has made a difference and helped solidify his position a little.



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[BraveheartNYC]

If Hatton beats Pac and JMM, I still don't think he would be P4P number 1. However if he beats Cotto or Mosley I would rank him higher on win like THAT then both those wins over Pac and JMM put together.

[IMDAZED]

This is where I will disagree. I think it does have some influence. A HOF'er is a proven fighter, and if he is still active, I believe it will affect people's opinions. It wasn't long ago when Oscar pushed Mayweather to a split decision. Pacquaio was a huge underdog against Oscar. I think it has made a difference and helped solidify his position a little.

It depends on the the Hall of Famer's standing when they fight. Period.

[Dave Rado]

Being already considered a HOF'er doesn't factor into it at all. How good you are right then and there does.

I meant that he was considered a future hall of famer who was still at his peak. I.e. that he was considered to be a truly elite fighter fighter at the time. I think the fact that Mosley beat a truly elite fighter who was still at his peak, plus the fact that he was already highly ranked, were much more of a factor than his having moved up in weight. And I still the Hopkins analogy corroborates my opinion on this.

How do I explain Hopkins going to #1? For starters, Hopkins was already top ten p4p before then. Tito was #1. And Tito was a fellow middleweight champ so no one at that time thought Hops was beating on a smaller man. Most thought he was going to get killed.

Maybe, but Hopkins still hadn't moved up, and Tito had only recently moved up, so it's not that different from Hatton beating Pac (although as I keep saying, I don't think he'd get higher than #3 if he did beat Pac).

[IMDAZED]

I meant that he was considered a future hall of famer who was still at his peak. I.e. that he was considered to be a truly elite fighter fighter at the time. I think the fact that Mosley beat a truly elite fighter who was still at his peak, plus the fact that he was already highly ranked, were much more of a factor than his having moved up in weight. And I still the Hopkins analogy corroborates my opinion on this.



Maybe, but Hopkins still hadn't moved up, and Tito had only recently moved up, so it's not that different from Hatton beating Pac (although as I keep saying, I don't think he'd get higher than #3 if he did beat Pac).

Dude...the fact that Mosley moved up to 147 has plenty to do with it. Honestly Dave, you're talking as if you don't remember any of this. It wasn't that long ago. Geezus, look at what moving up did for Manny! Can you imagine what it was for Shane to do it against a prime Oscar? Come on, don't act like you don't remember.

I don't even understand where you're going with the Hatton reference to Hopkins. And what does Hopkins not yet moved up have to do with anything?? Furthermore, Tito had just KO'ed the second best fighter at 160 in under five rounds. And outweighed Hopkins anyway. I fail to see what point you're trying to make.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Lol at the Hatton fans, agreeing with him, that he will be number 1 P4P if he beates Pacquiao. hahahahaha!!!!!!!

IF Hattons beats Pacquiao convincingly, JMM moves to number 1, B-Hop to number 2, Pacquiao to number 3 and Hatton to number 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Rado]

Dude...the fact that Mosley moved up to 147 has plenty to do with it. Honestly Dave, you're talking as if you don't remember any of this. It wasn't that long ago.

You or I can't say what was in the minds of The Ring's ratings panel at that time. Based on several other examples including the Hopkins one, I think the fact that De La Hoya was considered an all time great fighting at his peak was a much more important factor in their minds than the fact he had moved up. You don't, and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Geezus, look at what moving up did for Manny!

Manny was already rated #2 when he beat Morales, and he got his #1 rating because Mayweather retired. He solidified his #2 ranking behind Mayweather with the second wins over Barrera and Morales, and the win over Larios; and solidified his #1 ranking with the win over Marquez. If he'd remained at 130lbs, I'm pretty sure he'd still be ranked #1, as long as he'd continued to win, and to fight impressively.

I don't even understand where you're going with the Hatton reference to Hopkins. And what does Hopkins not yet moved up have to do with anything?? Furthermore, Tito had just KO'ed the second best fighter at 160 in under five rounds. And outweighed Hopkins anyway. I fail to see what point you're trying to make.

Pacquiao would probably KO the (currently) second highest ranked Jnr Welterweight in less than 5 rounds (that happens to be Timothy Bradley). My point about the Hatton reference to Hopkins is simply that beating a truly elite fighter who has recently moved up to your weight has on at least one occasion given a fighter the #1 P4P ranking, even though the winning fighter had never themselves moved up in weight.