Hatton Sr. Says Ricky Craves the Pound-for-Pound Title

[Hitman932]

So you telling me if Hatton beats the P4P#1 and then beats JMM who will move to P4P#1 that he don't deserve it? If beating 2 P4P#1's back to back don't get you the number 1 spot, somethings wrong.

It's not that he wouldn't "deserve" it.

Hatton would be a terrible #1 p4p representative for boxing. He expects two much smaller men to move up to his weight and fight at a significant disadvantage so that he can say he is #1.

What makes it worse is that he would not be willing to fight anyone bigger than himself after gaining recognition and would continue to try to pick on smaller fighters.

[S A M U R A I]

Jr FlyWeight ,FyWeight, Super BamtamWeight, FeatherWeight,Super FeatherWeight, LightWeight, WW and now JWW, thats 8 divisions to me, not 5 or 6.

And Pacquiao is a 5 division champ, (112WBCLineal,Ring) (122IBF), (126Lineal), )130WBC,lineal Ring) and 135 WBC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, 5 divisions as a champ. I thought it was obvious what I meant.

Hatton is a massive underdog for this fight.

Massive? I don't think so. Well, he ain't a massive underdog to me. Maybe 60-40 in favor of Pacquiao, but no way should he be a massive underdog. Other people might think differently, I guess.

I think we can only say as fans that if hatton beats manny then fights marquez and wins he could prob be called p4p#1 now!!! Anyone disagree???

Yes. Disagree. Beating two naturally smaller guys no matter what their P4P status still might not be enough, plus we need to consider what everyone else in the top 10 does, too. If Hopkins beat Adamek at Cruiserweight he would probably move up the list, for example.



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[Dave Rado]

It's not that he wouldn't "deserve" it.

Hatton would be a terrible #1 p4p representative for boxing. He expects two much smaller men to move up to his weight and fight at a significant disadvantage so that he can say he is #1.

What makes it worse is that he would not be willing to fight anyone bigger than himself after gaining recognition and would continue to try to pick on smaller fighters.

I think that's a little unfair. Some fighters have a frame and body type that allows them to move up in weight and retain their power and speed, and others don't. Some fighters have to move up in weight because of their body type, e.g. Campbell. Hatton happens to have a frame and body type that does not let him retain his power and speed above his peak weight. But that is not what the P4P ratings are based on.

As an illustration, Hatton would definitely be favourite to beat Cotto if they fought at Jnr Welterweight, but Cotto would probably win easily if they fought at Welterweight.

Hatton would probably agree to fight Cotto at catchweight, though, and that would be a pick 'em fight, IMO. Whether Cotto would agree to fighting at catchweight is another matter, though.

He'd also be favourite to beat Campbell, who is now a natural Jnr. Welterweight, and would be a fairly prestigious scalp.

Also, Marquez has already proved he can carry his power up to Lightweight, by knocking out two elite Lightweights who had never been stopped before. He may not be able to carry his power any higher, but it isn't inconceivable that he could.

[iBox]

The idea of being P4P is to win titles in different weight classes?..he's only been to 2 weight classes and didn't do too well in welter, and he is in the division he has been at all his career (bar a few fights), therefore even if he does beat pac it wouldn't make him P4P even if he was rank 2, because hes just another light-welter making a defence of his title..the idea of P4P is that the title holder moves weight classes...? correct me if i'm wrong.

[SuckaPunch]

The idea of being P4P is to win titles in different weight classes?..he's only been to 2 weight classes and didn't do too well in welter, and he is in the class he has been at all his career (bar a few fights), therefore even if he does beat pac it wouldn't make him P4P even if he was rank 2, because hes just another light-welter making a defence of his title..the idea of P4P is that the title holder moves weight classes...? correct me if i'm wrong.

Not necessarily.

Hopkins had been a top P4P fighter during his long reign at middleweight.

[Roger Mellie]

Historically, beating the P4P #1 ranked fighter has never given anyone the P4P #1 ranking immediately. When Taylor beat Hopkins, he was only ranked #4 as a result. When Tarver beat Jones, he was only ranked #3 as a result. The reason is that styles makes fights, which means it is possible to beat someone ranked higher than you but lose to someone ranked lower than you; and you only ever get the P4P #1 ranking based on a series of wins, never on the back of a single win.

The P4P rankings are not a title that can be passed on. Plus if you are fighting a naturally smaller fighter, then given that P4P is a theoretical (but subjective) measure of how elite you are divided by the number of pounds at your peak weight, the fact that your opponent is naturally smaller does influence how that result would be viewed by The Ring's rankings panel.

I see what your saying,and maybe I was being a bit mischeivous in reaction to the constant and borderline racist disrespect of british fighters on this forum.In reality,beating pacman on its own wouldnt be enough imo,beating him decisively would.
p4p is mainly about consensus,and a convincing win for ricky would make a compelling argument for his case.If this happens,which is by no means certain,then a follow up victory over JMM would rubber stamp it.

[Roger Mellie]

The idea of being P4P is to win titles in different weight classes?..he's only been to 2 weight classes and didn't do too well in welter, and he is in the division he has been at all his career (bar a few fights), therefore even if he does beat pac it wouldn't make him P4P even if he was rank 2, because hes just another light-welter making a defence of his title..the idea of P4P is that the title holder moves weight classes...? correct me if i'm wrong.

Corrected.the idea of p4p is not about winning titles at different weights.If it was no heavyweight could ever be ranked,and fighters like Ricardo Lopez and Marvin Hagler wouldnt have been in any p4p rankings,the notion of which is totally absurd.

[S A M U R A I]

The idea of being P4P is to win titles in different weight classes?..he's only been to 2 weight classes and didn't do too well in welter, and he is in the division he has been at all his career (bar a few fights), therefore even if he does beat pac it wouldn't make him P4P even if he was rank 2, because hes just another light-welter making a defence of his title..the idea of P4P is that the title holder moves weight classes...? correct me if i'm wrong.

It's never been solely about weight, BUT moving up in weight and taking on better competition does help.



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[S A M U R A I]

I see what your saying,and maybe I was being a bit mischeivous in reaction to the constant and borderline racist disrespect of british fighters on this forum.In reality,beating pacman on its own wouldnt be enough imo,beating him decisively would.
p4p is mainly about consensus,and a convincing win for ricky would make a compelling argument for his case.If this happens,which is by no means certain,then a follow up victory over JMM would rubber stamp it.

He either beats Pacquiao or he doesn't. How he does it is irrelevant. The only thing that counts is that he get the W.

However, I think you'll find the majority of people disagree with you anyway. You're talking about people being biased against Brits? But then you are biased toward your own fighters, right? Hence; you place Hatton higher than someone else would merely because he's from your country. You can't have it both ways.



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[Kris Silver]

It says a lot about you, when you can't even win a title, you yourself made up.