Hatton Sr. Says Ricky Craves the Pound-for-Pound Title

[S A M U R A I]

thats nonsense samurai.supporting fighters from your own country and being biased towards them are two entirely different things.

The line often becomes blurred, Mr. Crust.

Hatton p4p no1!!!

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[Xcusemymood]

Well Pac can say what he wants about being a junior welter but I believe he could still make 130 without too much trouble if the big fight was there.

To me Pac at 135 and above is like Hatton at 147 or higher. So maybe 20 pounds is too much, but 15 is fair and 10 is not enough to cover the physical differences.

The analogy with Dawson is looking down the road a year or two to what may become a legitimate p4p matchup. I didn't want to use Hopkins as the analogy because he was always a super middle in a middleweight body and I don't think Dawson holds such significant advantages physically over Hopkins as Hatton will over Pac.

It's not too crazy to think that in 2-3 years time when the current top 5 are retired or on the slide that a fight like Williams (154 or 160 pound champ) vs. Dawson (long reigning LHW champ) may create a lot of hype and p4p discussion.

I think were on the same page.

[BetterCallSaul]

Hatton p4p no1!!!

[Dave Rado]

Make your mind up, Dave.

What I'm saying is that how decisively he wins will affect his ranking, but even a decisive win wouldn't get him higher than #3.

[Xcusemymood]

That has nothing to do with the P4P rankings. They are just a hypothetical and subjective measure of a fighter's eliteness at his peak weight divided by the number of pounds at that weight. Lots of P4P #1 fighters had only ever fought at one weight when they had that ranking (e.g. Hopkins, Hagler).

Bob Foster is ranked #17 in The Ring's "100 most powerful P4P punchers of all time" list, but he didn't carry his power up to heavyweight - yet that didn't count against him when that list was compiled, because it's based on a fighter's peak weight.

I would like to point out that the P4P title was created after Sugar Ray Robinson who was a welterweight who moved up to middleweight and was still so good they had to create the title because everyone knew it was rediculous for him to try to move up to heavyweight.

Robinson moving up to heavyweight is quite different than Hatton moving up to weelterweight.

[Dave Rado]

Sorry to burst your bubble again but MOST people factor moving up in weight in with the criteria or the P4P rankings.

It si not the only reason by any means but it surely helps the argument. ALOT.

Maybe in the minds of the general public, but not much in terms of the actual rankings. Hopkins was ranked #1 when he had only ever fought at Middleweight. When he moved up in weight and beat Tarver, that only got him to #3.

[Xcusemymood]

No he was ranked #2 behind only Mayweather long before he moved up, and he was moved to #1 only because Mayweather retired. The wins over David Diaz (who was not a top lightweight) and DLH (who was not a top welterweight) made no difference at all. And as I keep pointing out, lots of P4P #1 fighters have only ever fought at one weight.

Both were good enough to warrant credit. And actually not that many have stayed at one weight, many many many, many more move up than stay at one weight so I believe you must take that into consideration.

If you fail to realize it that is fine. I guess we can agree to disagree.

[Allucard]

Well if hatton wins they will probably only put him 4th on the P4P list, after that Mayweather will return and Hatton can't beat him so he should just forget about it.

Mayweather will not return. Sure source.

[IMDAZED]

Maybe in the minds of the general public, but not much in terms of the actual rankings. Hopkins was ranked #1 when he had only ever fought at Middleweight. When he moved up in weight and beat Tarver, that only got him to #3.

That's because he was coming off two "losses."

[Xcusemymood]

Bhop was ranked #1 when he was at Middleweight and had only ever fought at one weight.

When he moved up and beat Tarver, he was only ranked #3.

Ability to move up has absolutely nothing to do with it.

End of story.

You are nitpicking 1 incident. There are a million other exapples where the opposite is true.

Honestly most people on here believe moving up is a factor whether you say it is or not.