Does Floyd Mayweather Jr. crack the top 50 ATG list?

[andrewcuff]

True but there really wasn't anyone at 154 back then except Spinks(and no one wants to see Floyd-Spinks). Maybe Forrest but that fight wouldn't sell at all.

Pryor did call out Leonard right in front of him and SRL turned it down basically. I guess Pryor was willing to move up to 147. But Pryor was a high risk low reward fight.

That's my point ATGs don't just take fights if they will sell or not. Forrest would have caused big problems for Mayweather.

You are right about Pryor though, he was a very big risk with very low reward. I think Leonard would have KO'd him though. Pryor was dropped a few times and Leonard was naturally bigger than him. Pryor never was Willie Pep defensively and would just take too many shots. But like I said though, Pryor wasn't even fighting at 147 when Leonard started moving up

[Sugar May Floyd]

I know my facts, fanboy. You have proved on here time and time again, it is you who needs to learn more about boxing. I called you on a few things the other day and you disappeared from the thread.

You were the one questioning if Mayweather risked his 0 at 140. I proved to you he did and embarrassed your ass yet again

[andrewcuff]

You were the one questioning if Mayweather risked his 0 at 140. I proved to you he did and embarrassed your ass yet again

Hang on, did you just say you proved that PBF risked his 0 at 140? Surely that is a typo, you wouldn't be that ****** would you?

Explain when you have "embarrassed my ass"?

Because I seem to remember you saying the other day Floyd would beat Benitez very easily. Lol, that was probably the first time'd you heard of him. When I asked you to elaborate you ducked the thread, exactly the same as when I pointed out why Whitaker would most likely beat Mayweather, no concrete answer. Care to elaborate on these now, or will you ignore them...again?

[-EX-]

That's my point ATGs don't just take fights if they will sell or not. Forrest would have caused big problems for Mayweather.

You are right about Pryor though, he was a very big risk with very low reward. I think Leonard would have KO'd him though. Pryor was dropped a few times and Leonard was naturally bigger than him. Pryor never was Willie Pep defensively and would just take too many shots. But like I said though, Pryor wasn't even fighting at 147 when Leonard started moving up

I agree with wat u sed about Pryor. Leonard may not have stopped him(well maybe in 15) but I think he woulda outclassed him after a few tough rounds.

Forrest prolly would give Floyd some problems but the fight jus wouldn't happen. Vernon's old and isn't that popular. And it would have been a high risk low reward fight for Floyd. Floyd wins, people wud say so wat Vernon's old and washed up.
Bottom line 154 is a garbage division for the most part. Angulo and Kirkland show promise tho.

[a-raines21]

He is anything from 45 to 75. anything higher is nuthuggery anything lower is hating!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i would love for you to name 40 fighters that rank hgher than floyd!

[andrewcuff]

i would love for you to name 40 fighters that rank hgher than floyd!

Thats funny, because Ring Magazine, who I'm quite sure know a lot more about boxing after reading your posts, named 80:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes
28. Mickey Walker
29. Ruben Olivares
30. Gene Tunney
31. **** Tiger
32. Fighting Harada
33. Emile Griffith
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Aaron Pryor
36. Pascual Perez
37. Miguel Canto
38. Manuel Ortiz
39. Charley Burley
40. Carmen Basilio
41. Michael Spinks
42. Joe Frazier
43. Khaosai Galaxy
44. Roy Jones Jr.
45. Tiger Flowers
46. Panama Al Brown
47. Kid Chocolate
48. Joe Brown
49. Tommy Loughran
50. Bernard Hopkins
51. Felix Trinidad
52. Jake LaMotta
53. Lennox Lewis
54. Wilfredo Gomez
55. Bob Foster
56. Jose Napoles
57. Billy Conn
58. Jimmy McLarnin
59. Pancho Villa
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Bob Montgomery
62. Freddie Miller
63. Benny Lynch
64. Beau Jack
65. Azumah Nelson
66. Eusebio Pedroza
67. Thomas Hearns
68. Wilfred Benitez
69. Antonio Cervantes
70. Ricardo Lopez
71. Sonny Liston
72. Mike Tyson
73. Vicente Saldivar
74. Gene Fullmer
75. Oscar De La Hoya
76. Carlos Zarate
77. Marcel Cerdan
78. Flash Elorde
79. Mike McCallum
80. Harold Johnson

[strugler]

Thats funny, because Ring Magazine, who I'm quite sure know a lot more about boxing after reading your posts, named 80:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes
28. Mickey Walker
29. Ruben Olivares
30. Gene Tunney
31. **** Tiger
32. Fighting Harada
33. Emile Griffith
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Aaron Pryor
36. Pascual Perez
37. Miguel Canto
38. Manuel Ortiz
39. Charley Burley
40. Carmen Basilio
41. Michael Spinks
42. Joe Frazier
43. Khaosai Galaxy
44. Roy Jones Jr.
45. Tiger Flowers
46. Panama Al Brown
47. Kid Chocolate
48. Joe Brown
49. Tommy Loughran
50. Bernard Hopkins
51. Felix Trinidad
52. Jake LaMotta
53. Lennox Lewis
54. Wilfredo Gomez
55. Bob Foster
56. Jose Napoles
57. Billy Conn
58. Jimmy McLarnin
59. Pancho Villa
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Bob Montgomery
62. Freddie Miller
63. Benny Lynch
64. Beau Jack
65. Azumah Nelson
66. Eusebio Pedroza
67. Thomas Hearns
68. Wilfred Benitez
69. Antonio Cervantes
70. Ricardo Lopez
71. Sonny Liston
72. Mike Tyson
73. Vicente Saldivar
74. Gene Fullmer
75. Oscar De La Hoya
76. Carlos Zarate
77. Marcel Cerdan
78. Flash Elorde
79. Mike McCallum
80. Harold Johnson

Not hating and all but Oscar is to high imo.

[a-raines21]

Thats funny, because Ring Magazine, who I'm quite sure know a lot more about boxing after reading your posts, named 80:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes
28. Mickey Walker
29. Ruben Olivares
30. Gene Tunney
31. **** Tiger
32. Fighting Harada
33. Emile Griffith
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Aaron Pryor
36. Pascual Perez
37. Miguel Canto
38. Manuel Ortiz
39. Charley Burley
40. Carmen Basilio
41. Michael Spinks
42. Joe Frazier
43. Khaosai Galaxy
44. Roy Jones Jr.
45. Tiger Flowers
46. Panama Al Brown
47. Kid Chocolate
48. Joe Brown
49. Tommy Loughran
50. Bernard Hopkins
51. Felix Trinidad
52. Jake LaMotta
53. Lennox Lewis
54. Wilfredo Gomez
55. Bob Foster
56. Jose Napoles
57. Billy Conn
58. Jimmy McLarnin
59. Pancho Villa
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Bob Montgomery
62. Freddie Miller
63. Benny Lynch
64. Beau Jack
65. Azumah Nelson
66. Eusebio Pedroza
67. Thomas Hearns
68. Wilfred Benitez
69. Antonio Cervantes
70. Ricardo Lopez
71. Sonny Liston
72. Mike Tyson
73. Vicente Saldivar
74. Gene Fullmer
75. Oscar De La Hoya
76. Carlos Zarate
77. Marcel Cerdan
78. Flash Elorde
79. Mike McCallum
80. Harold Johnson

that list has pernell whitiker ranked above roy jones and marvin hagler...... thats not accurate by far

[hugh grant]

I would put PBF hovering over the 100 mark. History has too long a history and too many greats have more better opponents and resumes than he has.
Skill wise you would put him higher of course....why not. But you dont judge like that.
Even though he beat Hatton, Hatton will end up higher than him by the end of his career.
So many fights out there for PBF out there, but he isnt taking them. Any opponent PBF beat in his early career is not important because noone knows them. There are better fighters now for him to fight.

[andrewcuff]

that list has pernell whitiker ranked above roy jones and ray leonard...... thats not accurate by far

Pernell shouldn't be above Leonard, but above Roy? Definately. More skills and beat the better opposition. The ordering of that list maybe debateable, but my point was to show that it is easily possible to name 40 greater fighters than Floyd.

If you don't think that is accurate, take out the 40 fighters than you think Floyd is better and lists proper reasons why.

Also, I'm still waiting for that Top 25 ATG list you said you'd put together a few weeks back...