Mayweather - De La Hoya

[andrewcuff]

I never said he was better body puncher than Duran or Chavez.. I go by facts (In the Hatton fight, he did hurt Hatton with bodyshots).

The only body punching he does better than those you mentioned is when landing powershots form the outside.

Mayweather and Hopkins are the best active inside fighter (Castillo and Toney are still fighting but they are past it)
Castillo outweighted Mayweather by 10lbs in both their fights.
Mayweather had an injury in the first fight.
As I noted above Castillo is one of the best inside fighters we have seen in the past 10 years.

I don't recall Chavez doing any inside fighting clinics on someow who was outweighing him by 10lbs.

No I was replying to Sugar May Floyd. It was he who responded to the Chavez remark.

[Miburo]

DLH attempted to fight in a style he was not suited to, and lost convincingly. Of course if he had tried to box Mayweather, he would have lost as well.

[Allucard]

Oscar stopped jabbing b/c Floyd started painting him with power shots in the center of the ring. Floyd could've ko'd Oscar had he thrown more punches, but that's not his style. FACT

Of course he couldn't. That was 160+lbs Oscar vs 147lbs Mayweather. Don't think he could have done much better. I agree with about everyone on Floyd's weaknesses but even though Floyd's jab is not the best in the world it's still world class. He never did use that jab as a range finder just because he was so fast and accurate he didn't really need it imo. An older Floyd could use more of his jab (you could tell that vs Hatton) but prime Floyd at 135 could have done well even if he couldn't jab at all.

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That's because they didn't do unofficial weigh-ins right before the fight back then.

I know, but who was a high profile opponent who was relevantly bigger than JC? I quickly went through a list in my head and could not find anyone?

Also around JC's prime most fighters did not balloon in weight so much, I guess since the science of nutrition and dehydration was not perfected yet (we were still close to the same day weigh in days).

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I know, but who was a high profile opponent who was relevantly bigger than JC? I quickly went through a list in my head and could not find anyone?

Also around JC's prime most fighters did not balloon in weight so much, I guess since the science of nutrition and dehydration was not perfected yet (we were still close to the same day weigh in days).

Well that's hard to say seeing as how Chavez moved up in weight. Who's to say Meldrick Taylor, for instance, wasn't naturally bigger than he was and probably outweighed him fight night?

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#1 Hagler's left wasn't amazing, but still pretty solid. The different here is I'm not claiming Hagler is the most skilled of AT, I'm just pointing out that there have been boxers with more skills than Floyd. A jab is very important when fighting elite level fighters. Against ATG opposition, Floyd wouldnt't have got away with leading with the right as much as he does now. I have to disagree with Hagler not being complete. Watching his fights from 77-82, he was one of the most complete fighters I've ever witnessed. The only problem was, as he got older he tended to rely on his chin to slug it out with massive punchers like Hearns and Mugabi!

#2 Video footage can back it up. You've only got watch Leonard in action to realise his offence is better than Mayweathers and comparing Whitaker vs Chavez to PBF vs Castillo should convince you of Whitaker defensive superiority

#3 You can't just use the first Duran fight as evidence of Mayweather being smarter. Leonard was just trying to make a statement there, trying to beat Duran at his own game. He looked pretty smart in the ring against Benitez, Hearns and Hagler.

#1 I am not saying Hagler is not complete, I am just saying Mayweather is more complete. Hagler always had some trouble in making people fight him if they were not inclined to. In his early days he was great at moving backwards, counterpunching, but leading against movers was not his thing. Also his left hand was not much of a weapon except up close (where he was just incredible at anything)

#2 And you only need to watch Mayweather to see that his defense is better than Leonard's. So who's more skilled? As for the comparison you make between Pea Vs. JC and JLC vs. PBF well... who was moving up in weight? who was at his physical peak? who had an injury? One of those two fights also had a rematch nad how did that go

#3 That was a dumb statement to make for Leonard. The evidence is that at least in one case, Leonard came up with a bad plan (certainly based on underestimating his opponent). Mayweather did not, because being the paranoid individual he is he would never underestimate anyone. Anyways if you noticed, I did not say Mayweather is smarter than Leonard, I said, that that fight would be enough to conclude that. I rate Leonard as one of the best fighters I have ever seen in action, and certainly competing for THE smartest. I feel exactly the same way about Mayweather.

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Well that's hard to say seeing as how Chavez moved up in weight. Who's to say Meldrick Taylor, for instance, wasn't naturally bigger than he was and probably outweighed him fight night?

Actually Taylor (and Pea later) would be a good example, but Chavez did not exactly have an easy night, which is my point.

[Sugar May Floyd]

Actually Taylor (and Pea later) would be a good example, but Chavez did not exactly have an easy night, which is my point.

Pernell is a small man, yet he beat JCC on the inside and out muscled him. I would say JCC is the bigger man

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Actually Taylor (and Pea later) would be a good example, but Chavez did not exactly have an easy night, which is my point.

True. Then again, Taylor was a higher caliber fighter than Castillo and ended up with his face looking like a Joppy-clone from the Hopkins fight.

[MANGLER]

**** a SD. PBF won clearly, he just failed to really humble DLH.