Mayweather - De La Hoya

[andrewcuff]

No way Hagler has better fundamentals, just NO.

Hopkins Leonard Whitaker could be mention as great as PBF in skill books. But Mayweather is smart as Hopkins better defense and better offense.

Leonard is fast as Floyd. Better offense than Floyd but Mayweather has better defense.. But what separates them is Mayweather is smarter boxer

#1 You've probably only watched Hagler-Hearns. Go and find some of his fights between 77-82. Absolute machine. Btw, what do call boxing fundamentals? Because I'd say a jab is pretty important/fundamental and Hagler had one of the best, most accurate, stiffest jabs I've seen, whereas Floyd doesn't. Hagler was also a great counter-puncher in his prime

#2 Leonard/Whitaker are more skilled than Mayweather. Leonard had a better offense and a very good defense too. Whereas Whitaker was damn near impossible to tag.

#3 Leonard was faster than Floyd and I honestly smarter in the ring. You don't beat Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran (although his gameplan for the first fight wouldn't be called smart - I'll give you that one!), Tommy Hearns and Marvin Hagler without having ring smarts

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#1 Meldrick Taylor threw the fastest combinations I've ever seen. Faster than Ali, Leonard and Roy Jones

#2 Benitez and Pep were both better defensively than Floyd. Watching Benitez slip punching close up without backing off at all was sweet!

#3 Mayweather doesn't use the jab enough and like I said Arguello/Whitaker were both more accurate with power puches/jabs

#4 McCallum didn't suck at outside fighting at all and the main point was to do with body punching not outside fighting. In which case I'll stick to my original point: Duran/Chavez were far superior to Floyd in this case.

#5 I'm not convinced from the Hatton fight that Mayweather is great on the inside. Fair play, he neutralized Hatton's attack, but he wasn't exactly hurting Hatton with thunderng body shots was he? Which is what Duran/Chavez would do. I also think Benitez was much better in this respect too. I don't think I've ever seen someone look so comfortable pinned against the ropes/corner. He was so difficult to tag, even on the inside, and he could get good body shots off in return.

Just thinking quickly Hagler, Leonard, McCallum and Hopkins are great all round boxers who have great fundamentals

Mayweather throws the most accurate power shots I have seen in a ring. Note that I watched plenty of Arguello, Walcott... you name a fighter and I can very honestly tell you that he is not a more accurate puncher than Mayweather.

Actually he was (hurting Hatton with thunderous body shots). Watch the fight and at some point you will even see Hatton's feet lifted off the ground by a right hand to the body.

[Sugar May Floyd]

#1 You've probably only watched Hagler-Hearns. Go and find some of his fights between 77-82. Absolute machine. Btw, what do call boxing fundamentals? Because I'd say a jab is pretty important/fundamental and Hagler had one of the best, most accurate, stiffest jabs I've seen, whereas Floyd doesn't. Hagler was also a great counter-puncher in his prime

Watch Mayweather's jab at the lower weights is something to behold. Better than Hagler. I have watched Hagler fight. Mayweather is smarter than Leonard.

#2 Leonard/Whitaker are more skilled than Mayweather. Leonard had a better offense and a very good defense too. Whereas Whitaker was damn near impossible to tag.

Yes he had a better offense but Mayweather had the better defense. But Mayweather wins since he is the smarter fighter. Whitaker is amazing NO QUESTION

#3 Leonard was faster than Floyd and I honestly smarter in the ring. You don't beat Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran (although his gameplan for the first fight wouldn't be called smart - I'll give you that one!), Tommy Hearns and Marvin Hagler without having ring smarts

RJJ IMO is the only boxer who had fastest hands than Mayweather. He lost to Duran. All he did in the second fight is box. And still a close fight.

Hearns - Leonard 2 Hearns won that fight. Second Duran fight still close when Duran unashamedly quit

[andrewcuff]

Watch Mayweather's jab at the lower weights is something to behold. Better than Hagler. I have watched Hagler fight. Mayweather is smarter than Leonard.



Yes he had a better offense but Mayweather had the better defense. But Mayweather wins since he is the smarter fighter. Whitaker is amazing NO QUESTION



RJJ IMO is the only boxer who had fastest hands than Mayweather. He lost to Duran. All he did in the second fight is box. And still a close fight.

Hearns - Leonard 2 Hearns won that fight. Second Duran fight still close when Duran unashamedly quit

#1 Hagler was a natural righ-handed fighter yet he fought southpaw most of the time. He normally had his naturally strongest hand leading therefore stronger, more accurate, better jab

#2 Tell me exactly why Mayweather is smarter than Leonard

#3 Leonard was extremely good offensively, yet had an excellent defense too. Not very easy to tag, whereas Mayweather is always defense first

#4 Watch Meldrick Taylor fight. Fastest you'll ever see. And BTW you think Mayweather is faster than Ali and Leonard as well?!?

#5 The No Mas was no close in the slightest. I'm guessing you haven't watch it. Leonard humiliated Duran.

#6 Leonard-Hearns 2 was long after Leonards prime. Watch the first one.

[andrewcuff]

Mayweather throws the most accurate power shots I have seen in a ring. Note that I watched plenty of Arguello, Walcott... you name a fighter and I can very honestly tell you that he is not a more accurate puncher than Mayweather.

Actually he was (hurting Hatton with thunderous body shots). Watch the fight and at some point you will even see Hatton's feet lifted off the ground by a right hand to the body.

One good fight doesn't make you a better body puncher than Duran/Chavez though. If he was as skilled on the inside as Sugar May Floyd is trying to claim, Castillo would have caused him so many problems

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#1 You've probably only watched Hagler-Hearns. Go and find some of his fights between 77-82. Absolute machine. Btw, what do call boxing fundamentals? Because I'd say a jab is pretty important/fundamental and Hagler had one of the best, most accurate, stiffest jabs I've seen, whereas Floyd doesn't. Hagler was also a great counter-puncher in his prime

#2 Leonard/Whitaker are more skilled than Mayweather. Leonard had a better offense and a very good defense too. Whereas Whitaker was damn near impossible to tag.

#3 Leonard was faster than Floyd and I honestly smarter in the ring. You don't beat Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran (although his gameplan for the first fight wouldn't be called smart - I'll give you that one!), Tommy Hearns and Marvin Hagler without having ring smarts

#1 Hagler is my favorite fighter, EVER, but if you want to put down Mayweather's jab, what about Hagler's left?

Also, when Mayweather does jab, he does very well. But why jab when you lead with a power shot?

Mayweather is a more complete fighter than Hagler was, reason being Mayweather fights smart whereas Hagler... ehm, since you are a big Hagler fan too, you know what episodes I am thinking about.

#2 Leonard/Whitaker are more skilled than Mayweather is simply your opinion. Nothing can help you back it up.

#3 Leonard's gameplan in Leonard-Duran 1 would be enough to state that Mayweather was a smarter fighter than Leonard was.

[Burning Desire]

I had it 116-112 for Floyd Mayweather Jr ODLH didn't land anything solid at all, his flurries were as useless as when he fought Pernell Whitaker. Floyd Mayweather Jr landed the cleaner more effective shots, he countered over ODLH's jab with right hand leads, stopping ODLH from jabbing which is why Floyd Mayweather easily won the later rounds, sealing any doubt anyone had about the scoring thats my two cents.

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One good fight doesn't make you a better body puncher than Duran/Chavez though. If he was as skilled on the inside as Sugar May Floyd is trying to claim, Castillo would have caused him so many problems

I never said he was better body puncher than Duran or Chavez.. I go by facts (In the Hatton fight, he did hurt Hatton with bodyshots).

The only body punching he does better than those you mentioned is when landing powershots form the outside.

Mayweather and Hopkins are the best active inside fighter (Castillo and Toney are still fighting but they are past it)
Castillo outweighted Mayweather by 10lbs in both their fights.
Mayweather had an injury in the first fight.
As I noted above Castillo is one of the best inside fighters we have seen in the past 10 years.

I don't recall Chavez doing any inside fighting clinics on someow who was outweighing him by 10lbs.

[andrewcuff]

#1 Hagler is my favorite fighter, EVER, but if you want to put down Mayweather's jab, what about Hagler's left?

Also, when Mayweather does jab, he does very well. But why jab when you lead with a power shot?

Mayweather is a more complete fighter than Hagler was, reason being Mayweather fights smart whereas Hagler... ehm, since you are a big Hagler fan too, you know what episodes I am thinking about.

#2 Leonard/Whitaker are more skilled than Mayweather is simply your opinion. Nothing can help you back it up.

#3 Leonard's gameplan in Leonard-Duran 1 would be enough to state that Mayweather was a smarter fighter than Leonard was.

#1 Hagler's left wasn't amazing, but still pretty solid. The different here is I'm not claiming Hagler is the most skilled of AT, I'm just pointing out that there have been boxers with more skills than Floyd. A jab is very important when fighting elite level fighters. Against ATG opposition, Floyd wouldnt't have got away with leading with the right as much as he does now. I have to disagree with Hagler not being complete. Watching his fights from 77-82, he was one of the most complete fighters I've ever witnessed. The only problem was, as he got older he tended to rely on his chin to slug it out with massive punchers like Hearns and Mugabi!

#2 Video footage can back it up. You've only got watch Leonard in action to realise his offence is better than Mayweathers and comparing Whitaker vs Chavez to PBF vs Castillo should convince you of Whitaker defensive superiority

#3 You can't just use the first Duran fight as evidence of Mayweather being smarter. Leonard was just trying to make a statement there, trying to beat Duran at his own game. He looked pretty smart in the ring against Benitez, Hearns and Hagler.

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I never said he was better body puncher than Duran or Chavez.. I go by facts (In the Hatton fight, he did hurt Hatton with bodyshots).

The only body punching he does better than those you mentioned is when landing powershots form the outside.

Mayweather and Hopkins are the best active inside fighter (Castillo and Toney are still fighting but they are past it)
Castillo outweighted Mayweather by 10lbs in both their fights.
Mayweather had an injury in the first fight.
As I noted above Castillo is one of the best inside fighters we have seen in the past 10 years.

I don't recall Chavez doing any inside fighting clinics on someow who was outweighing him by 10lbs.

That's because they didn't do unofficial weigh-ins right before the fight back then.