Pavlik's "elbow injury" can eat a ****

[RodBarker]

Even if Pavlik was 100%, he still would have lost just as badly. Pavlik could not handle the movement and counters of a 43 year old man. Bernard took away the jab/right hand and then overwhelmed Kelly with counters and combinations.

Pavlik's team was just looking to make excuses.

Athletes at this level can go off it happens a lot with animals and people , it happens and when it does you dont know untill after the fact in most cases and means during the event , its no good saying Kelly said before the fight that I was great in training as a rebuttal to what Jack is saying after the fight , you dont know something is wrong untill the event , raceshorses can run track record pace quarters on the wednesday and run a shocker last in the race on the Saturday , the difference is only 20 meters , the difference in a fight means you land very little and you get hit twice as much , dont come with even at his best he couldnt win a round because you talking out your backside .

Pavlik was not right in my opinion , not an excuse an observation , he was so much slower than ever and no snap , thats the big one no snap and getting very tired by the 4th is just not typical he never had endurance issues before , I see a lot of you young fellas in here take a lot on just face value whats right in front of your face , they never see the other guy looking sick they only ever see there guy looking great look at Pac and Oscar , Im not saying this was the case 100% as its water under the bridge now and we will never know but I,ll tell now if Pavlik was a champion racehorse or Greyhound they would have put him under a barrage of lab tests to find out what happened and it would have been ordered by the officials , I love Bhop great great fighter but no one will convince me something was not a miss with Pavlik .

[warp1432]

That much? I can understand having taylor win by a round or 2 but 8-4 and 9-3? you got to be kidding me.

I can't remember directly. I might have had it 7-5. I know there were a lot of swing rounds in the fight. The judges had it 117-111, 116-112, and 115-113 so I think anywhere in there is acceptable.

[Owlzfan84]

I would have liked to see a young fighter who was known to be very classy before fights to have retained that class afterwards. I don't hate Kelly, but my view on him kind of went down. I'm not gonna lie.

I really agree about your last point though.

he did. All the excuses seem to be coming from Lowe.

[thebowtod]

I can't remember directly. I might have had it 7-5. I know there were a lot of swing rounds in the fight. The judges had it 117-111, 116-112, and 115-113 so I think anywhere in there is acceptable.

I was about to say, that fight was very close. 7-5 makes sense.

[warp1432]

Athletes at this level can go off it happens a lot with animals and people , it happens and when it does you dont know untill after the fact in most cases and means during the event , its no good saying Kelly said before the fight that I was great in training as a rebuttal to what Jack is saying after the fight , you dont know something is wrong untill the event , raceshorses can run track record pace quarters on the wednesday and run a shocker last in the race on the Saturday , the difference is only 20 meters , the difference in a fight means you land very little and you get hit twice as much , dont come with even at his best he couldnt win a round because you talking out your backside .

Pavlik was not right in my opinion , not an excuse an observation , he was so much slower than ever and no snap , thats the big one no snap and getting very tired by the 4th is just not typical he never had endurance issues before , I see a lot of you young fellas in here take a lot on just face value whats right in front of your face , they never see the other guy looking sick they only ever see there guy looking great look at Pac and Oscar , Im not saying this was the case 100% as its water under the bridge now and we will never know but I,ll tell now if Pavlik was a champion racehorse or Greyhound they would have put him under a barrage of lab tests to find out what happened and it would have been ordered by the officials , I love Bhop great great fighter but no one will convince me something was not a miss with Pavlik .

The way I see it, he had no snap because with Bernard's movement gave him problems. When a fighter is circling and they put you out of range, you can't get your punches off as fast. Kelly was never really a fast fighter anyhow.

When you can't get in range, you aren't going to throw as much either. You also aren't going to throw as much when you know the person you are fighting can counter very well and has excellent defense. All of Bernard Hopkins' opponents fight at a slower pace. Even Joe Calzaghe, who was reduced to throwing a lot of pitty pat punches just so he could have Bernard get off him in the clinch.

That's my view anyway.

[warp1432]

he did. All the excuses seem to be coming from Lowe.

Not really. Kelly has made the same statements about the elbow and how he was sick. The only thing he didn't say was the weight, which I'll give him credit to that. Kelly Pavlik is obviously more classy then Jack Lowe, but there are still some excuses that Kelly made.

[MikeBrew328]

Although I don't think Pavlik was 100% that night, for whatever reason, there was still a clear, clear gap in class there. YOu basically had a young, tough durable guy with a lot of guts taking on one of the most highly skilled masters of the past few decades.

He was going in there to knock out the supposedly shot Hopkins. He thought it would be a breeze, boy was he wrong. I think it was more like he was embarassed more than anything. The only reason he continued to try to fight was that he thought B Hop would magically fade. That's the only thing that carried him to not get stopped. Hopkins called Pavlik's bluff

[mathed]

apparently he had bronchitis, which if thats true, thats a pretty good excuse.

But even if he wasnt sick, i dont believe that the level of class between the two is that far apart. Hopkins didnt do anything that Taylor didnt do in the second fight outside of the holding. Ppl say that lateral movement and athleticism bother Pavlik, but if that was the case he would of been outboxed by Taylor the second time.

Pavlik looked slow and weak in that fight...could have been a cold

[warp1432]

Pavlik looked slow and weak in that fight...could have been a cold

Or it could have been Hopkins movement and counters making him look sluggish, but who knows?

[BG_Knocc_Out]

I think he was off that night, but if he did better I think he still would have lost. Pavlik's probably one of the most humble fighters out now, even if he does make excuses, he'll say something like "it was my fault for fighting when not 100" or something along those lines. I have a deep feeling I'm going to be looked at as a **** rider though with my sig, lol.