Pavlik's "elbow injury" can eat a ****

[egreezy]

I remember reading reports b4 the fight that his elbow was injured but the fight would still go on and if you listen to him in post fight conference he sounds very congested. Still if he was 100% Hopkins should have won because of styles but it wouldn't have been a shutout maybe 9-3.

[warp1432]

kelly lost, was outclassed. no doubt. but, even if the elbow was legit it's not like your gonna tell the oppt b4 the fight that it really is messed up so he can punch you in it all night. and this eat a **** stuff? very strange from you man. you are usually much better, and mature poster than that. i'm surprised here. bernard is no different, he like all fighter who lose have made many excuses about why! just the way it goes.

What's more likely: Making a bunch of excuses after BADLY losing that ruins your reputation (See: Damage Control) or not admitting an injury so your opponent wouldn't have an advantage? A story came up for them to take advantage of. They also used the weight excuse, which I don't believe at all. It's one thing about making excuses directly after the fight because you are still in shock. It's another thing if you still do it 3 months after the fight.

Bernard hasn't made excuses as badly as Kelly has. Bernard has been bitchy in defeat, I realize this. Especially saying **** the American cancer society, but he still never claimed he had an injury and stuff.

Kelly and his camp get no respect from me for still making excuses after losing badly. I even give Winky Wright more credit even though he's still bitching about the decision, he at least did different and I can understand why he thought he won (which is still wrong imo.)

[warp1432]

I remember reading reports b4 the fight that his elbow was injured but the fight would still go on and if you listen to him in post fight conference he sounds very congested. Still if he was 100% Hopkins should have won because of styles but it wouldn't have been a shutout maybe 9-3.

You do realize that Kelly had his nose bleeding during the fight right? Maybe that had something to do with it.

[MELLY-MEL...]

What's more likely: Making a bunch of excuses after BADLY losing that ruins your reputation (See: Damage Control) or not admitting an injury so your opponent wouldn't have an advantage? A story came up for them to take advantage of. They also used the weight excuse, which I don't believe at all. It's one thing about making excuses directly after the fight because you are still in shock. It's another thing if you still do it 3 months after the fight.

Bernard hasn't made excuses as badly as Kelly has. Bernard has been bitchy in defeat, I realize this. Especially saying **** the American cancer society, but he still never claimed he had an injury and stuff.

Kelly and his camp get no respect from me for still making excuses after losing badly. I even give Winky Wright more credit even though he's still bitching about the decision, he at least did different and I can understand why he thought he won (which is still wrong imo.)

who really cares? it's so trivial it's not even worth caring about. an excuse is an excuse. plain, and simple. hate on him all you want, but it means nothing. he took his asswhoopin, finished the fight,and now must prove his worth. it is what it is.

[warp1432]

who really cares? it's so trivial it's not even worth caring about. an excuse is an excuse. plain, and simple. hate on him all you want, but it means nothing. he took his asswhoopin, finished the fight,and now must prove his worth. it is what it is.

I would have liked to see a young fighter who was known to be very classy before fights to have retained that class afterwards. I don't hate Kelly, but my view on him kind of went down. I'm not gonna lie.

I really agree about your last point though.

[S A M U R A I]

Ppl say that lateral movement and athleticism bother Pavlik, but if that was the case he would of been outboxed by Taylor the second time.

He was outboxed, as far as I'm concerned. The judges scored it for Pavlik's aggression though, and of course because they didn't want to cut the hype short for their new hero. He makes them money.

I always maintained that Taylor should have won that fight.

apparently he had bronchitis, which if thats true, thats a pretty good excuse.

Damn, when I had bronchitis I was coughng up nasty stuff for ages. Pavlik looked fine to me.

This is really simple man, he was completely and utterly outclassed.



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[Dan...]

who really cares? it's so trivial it's not even worth caring about. an excuse is an excuse. plain, and simple. hate on him all you want, but it means nothing. he took his asswhoopin, finished the fight,and now must prove his worth. it is what it is.

Dude, if all boxing fans were like you this sport would be 1000 times better off.

[warp1432]

I thought Kelly won it, but Taylor's movement nor defense are anywhere near good as Bernard's.

[thebowtod]

Dude, if all boxing fans were like you this sport would be 1000 times better off.

i know right?

[Dan...]

He was outboxed, as far as I'm concerned. The judges scored it for Pavlik's aggression though, and of course because they didn't want to cut the hype short for their new hero. He makes them money.

I always maintained that Taylor should have won that fight.

I prefer JT over Kelly and I've scored the fight a few times and I just can't see it. Each to his own though.