Joe Calzaghe Has No Regrets, May Return One Day

[Abstraction]

Fraud, end of discussion.

Wasted his talent.

[Chase8400]

You cannot get away from the facts that

-Kessler is the #1 guy at SMW, above even Taylor.

-Hopkins was p4p top 5 and still is, due to dominating wins over top guys either side of his loss to Joe

-Roy Jones is only a few years older than Joe, and is the same age roughly as Johnson and Tarver. Now I know your going to move onto the next RJJ excuse which holds some ground, but age wise there's not much of a leg to stand on.

-Tarver looked way past prime and flat against a Woods that simply did not show up.

-If anyone was nearly knocked out it was Dawson against Johnson, where there's way more people whom feel Johnson won as compared with Joes win over Hopkins.


If you can't see that Joe was barely phased by those 2 knockdowns, and that they were no way near knocking him out, then you really are deluded and refusing to accept what's before your eyes my friend.

Most accept Calzaghe has a tough chin and have NEVER come close to being knocked out, perhaps you should to, as oddly enough Dawson was more phased, more hurt, more often by Johnson whom is a lower ranked LHW.

Gotta dissagree. Adamek has since been a proven winner against very good competition. Kessler has not. Hopkins did look impressive against Pavlik but in retrospect, it should have been expected of him to beat Pavlik. Styles make fights. Hopkins , while still very good was 43, his endurance is not that of somebody even Joe's age of 36 , much less a guy who can withstand a Calzaghe type of onslaught for 12 hard rounds. Skill aside. Everyone knows Hopkins outclassed Joe on pure skill and it was evident that he did indeed win on workrate and hand speed in combination. We won't even get into the Jones deal, even though I know the old and near-shot Jones landed more on Joe than Hopkins did.

All in all, I think Lacy was Joe's best win because it gave him confidence enough to face top guys on a regular basis and don't want to degrade your favorite fighter, but he did indeed face B-hop and Jones too late to deserve any crazy credit for it. Much like fellow UK native Froch said.

Sorry to say that and I will not say that you are deluded because you think otherwise, like you would elude to saying.

[Kris Silver]

Gotta dissagree. Adamek has since been a proven winner against very good competition. Kessler has not. Hopkins did look impressive against Pavlik but in retrospect, it should have been expected of him to beat Pavlik. Styles make fights. Hopkins , while still very good was 43, his endurance is not that of somebody even Joe's age of 36 , much less a guy who can withstand a Calzaghe type of onslaught for 12 hard rounds. Skill aside. Everyone knows Hopkins outclassed Joe on pure skill and it was evident that he did indeed win on workrate and hand speed in combination. We won't even get into the Jones deal, even though I know the old and near-shot Jones landed more on Joe than Hopkins did.

All in all, I think Lacy was Joe's best win because it gave him confidence enough to face top guys on a regular basis and don't want to degrade your favorite fighter, but he did indeed face B-hop and Jones too late to deserve any crazy credit for it. Much like fellow UK native Froch said.

Sorry to say that and I will not say that you are deluded because you think otherwise, like you would elude to saying.

I didn't really talk of Adamek at all. But in terms of beating top division guys, Kessler has infact done plenty. Don't suddenly change that to top boxers of any division, as he can only face whom is in the division he holds a belt, and is campaigning in realistically. And the divisions not that bad. He dominate most if not all guys, many of which top guys;

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237830

I will agree Hopkins should not have been quite such an underdog as he was versus Pavlik. He's spoken out about taking advantage of one dimensional guys numerous times, and done it. Lets not forget, Hopkins style was literally a nite mare for Joes, so to get that win over the agreed top LHW was impressive, especially given Hopkins impressive wins either side of Calzaghe.

Jones landed more, because he threw more mostly. But I'm intrigued to see him against Sheika.

Calzaghe landed the most anyone ever had on Hopkins, because he used skill and whatever he could to win, and that was managing to tag and land against a defensive opponent running, holding and trying his best not to get hit. So that takes skill. Though I'll agree Hopkins is a significantly better tactician.

Lacy may have been one of Joes most impressive wins, but the ease with which he dominated him should be telling. In hinesight a two time champion like Mitchell, and a good outing against Brewer too deserves a lot of credit as between them they were talented enough to land more than Lacy, hold their belts for longer and re win belts. Lacy mostly imo gave Calzaghe a much bigger name, since he'd beaten a well hyped, biggish name in America where some of the other guys he wanted were, Calzaghe was expected to lose but dominated in one of the biggest boxing lessons of the decade. That brought recognition and forced fighters eventually later. But anyways, all good wins, and Joe always had the confidence and even arrogance really.

I'm quite surprised you know credit Froch so much though it shows your willing to change your mind about someone I guess. I'm just pretty confident Froch has a loss due within the next 18 months, and that is not bright future at all imo.

[Left Hook Tua]

Joe will come back and challenge Ali once he gets a little older... To riskey right now...

laila by brutal ko

[Ravens Fan]

Excuses are like *ssholes and elbows, almost everybody has them. The fact of the matter is that Chad did beat Johnson and Tarver and while they are considered old, they still have been impressive and either a world title holder or beat up on solid competition. Nobody said they were over the hill when they were both blasting on guys prior to the Dawson fights. The Adamek win is even more impressive considering how he has now laid claim to the undisputed CW title. He carried his power up easily and fought a good fight against Dawson, but just came up short. Calzaghe beat a lion in Kessler and two oldies over the last two years but I would have to say Dawson's resume' over that period is more impressive because he beat two older fighters who are still game and not shells of their former selves. Calzaghe owes boxing a win against the best @ light-heavy before he leaves for good. Without beating Dawson, he cannot call himself the best at light heavyweight. I don't care what 'Ring' says.

Hopkins a former shell of himself? I guess someone should ask Pavlik how it feels gettin whooped by the shell of Hopkins. And I guess it does not matter at all that Hopkins happened to beat Tarver not all that long ago. I will say it again if Cazaghe was an American fighter I believe everyone would be saying how great a fighter he was. Also, how come no one is bitching and complaining about Chad fighting Tarver again? Is the fight really necessary and is that Chad's only option besides wanting to fight Joe?

[SonOfCuba]

Mayweather has no regrets, Calzaghe retired to avoid those, at an age were the true all time greats of our era were stablishing their names in history Calzaghe walked away... and History will observe that with the credit he deserves wish is no were near the top.

[Jim Jeffries]

Hopkins a former shell of himself? I guess someone should ask Pavlik how it feels gettin whooped by the shell of Hopkins. And I guess it does not matter at all that Hopkins happened to beat Tarver not all that long ago. I will say it again if Cazaghe was an American fighter I believe everyone would be saying how great a fighter he was. Also, how come no one is bitching and complaining about Chad fighting Tarver again? Is the fight really necessary and is that Chad's only option besides wanting to fight Joe?

41 year old Hopkins beats the hell out of Tarver, Bernard is shot, a former shell of himself.
Almost 2 1/2 years later, Chad Dawson beats Tarver, Chad is unbeatable, top 5 p4p.
This clown says if Calzaghe beats Pavlik, then he's somebody. But he beats Hopkins, who then dominates Pavlik, Joe is still nobody.
Plus when this guy made this thread, just over a year ago (not 2 yrs,) Hopkins had already beat Wright. But if Calzaghe beats Wright, then he is somebody. Beats Hopkins, still a nobody.
He goes on to pick Roy to beat Calzaghe, and says Roy is still good enough to beat anyone in the division. Joe wins, still a nobody.

Only on Boxingscene.

[Chase8400]

Hopkins a former shell of himself? I guess someone should ask Pavlik how it feels gettin whooped by the shell of Hopkins. And I guess it does not matter at all that Hopkins happened to beat Tarver not all that long ago. I will say it again if Cazaghe was an American fighter I believe everyone would be saying how great a fighter he was. Also, how come no one is bitching and complaining about Chad fighting Tarver again? Is the fight really necessary and is that Chad's only option besides wanting to fight Joe?

The 'shell' comment was mainly directed at Jones. You know that. B-hop is not as good as he once was either. Beating Pavlik was just a formality. He probably would have stopped Kelly in 2001, sadly.(see Trinidad fight)

On B-hop: Tarver, while good is nothing special after dropping the weight he gained when filming Rocky. He's obviously way, way slower and not as powerful as he once was. The Hopkins win was a good one, but should not have been too suprising.

Winky? Anyone who will out-throw him effectively should beat him. No point in going there. Like the new Jones style. I expect Williams to take him to school too.

Joe is a great fighter, but in my opinion, his nationality has nothing to do with anything. He waited to long to make his name outside of 168 and his home country....simple as that.

As far as Dawson goes, sure the Tarver rematch sucks and people don't like the idea but it is a mandatory based on their first fight contract, if he is to hold on to the title. Without a title, only a fight with Calzaghe made sense so now this is the most lucrative option and the fans know that & have accepted it. One more thing is that Tarver has always done his homework and came out better in rematches. This makes the fight interesting. I expect the same result w/ a win for Dawson but in closer fashion. -Chase.

[TintaBoricua]

41 year old Hopkins beats the hell out of Tarver, Bernard is shot, a former shell of himself.
Almost 2 1/2 years later, Chad Dawson beats Tarver, Chad is unbeatable, top 5 p4p.
This clown says if Calzaghe beats Pavlik, then he's somebody. But he beats Hopkins, who then dominates Pavlik, Joe is still nobody.
Plus when this guy made this thread, just over a year ago (not 2 yrs,) Hopkins had already beat Wright. But if Calzaghe beats Wright, then he is somebody. Beats Hopkins, still a nobody.
He goes on to pick Roy to beat Calzaghe, and says Roy is still good enough to beat anyone in the division. Joe wins, still a nobody.

Only on Boxingscene.

You've summarized what I've always believed. Calzaghe beat Roy (who many were considering a threat), and then after the fight, several people were going:

-Roy Jones wasn't the same (no, he wasn't...but regardless you believed in him by looking back at pffffff...Trinidad/Jones)

-Calzaghe's clowning was disrespectful. (Puh-lease!) Jones would've done the same thing had he been whooping Zag's ass...

Now people are throwing Dawson's name around. IMO, Dawson is a solid fighter, but still too green for someone like Calzaghe. I just think many posters (specifically Westerners) are so concerned on having Calzaghe lose that they want anyone and everyone to fight Calzaghe, just to take away his zero and proclaim: "EXPOSED!"

BTW, I've always rooted against Calzaghe, but fact of the matter is, there was no way he was going to lose that fight against Jones.

I'd love to see Calzaghe dethroned, honestly I would. But he is a terrific fighter and should be rightfully be given his credit.

Once again, this is the mindset of the Calzaghe haters:

Calzaghe vs. Lacy- "HOLY sh**, Calzaghe kicked Lacy's ass!......Well....maybe Lacy wasn't all that to begin with.......yeah......yeah, that's it. Lacy was overrated. Calzaghe just beat a bum, that's all."

Calzaghe vs. Kessler- "Yeah! C'mon, Kessler! Show that Italian fake who's boss!.........Aw, crap! Calzaghe's schoolin' him............and won. Well, uhh.............Kessler's a European fighter......that win didn't mean much........why doesn't Joe come over here to the states and fight some of our American fighters on OUR turf."

Calzaghe vs. Hopkins- "B-Hop the defensive mastermind will shock the world again and expose that fraud! WHAT THE ****?! HE GOT DROPPED!!! YEAH!!!!.............................Aw, crap. Calzaghe won! But he had trouble, though. Calzaghe had trouble against an older fighter, yeah.......he's not that tough. You can run but you can't hide, Joe. Wait 'til Jones gets you."

Calzaghe vs. Jones- "Aw, hell yeah! Zag got dropped! It's over, baby!....WTF?! Roy?! What the hell, man?! He's got his head right in front of you with his arms to the side, DO SOMETHING COTDYAMIT!............Dammit, he won again. All right, that's it....I've had it....this guy better not retire. He better fight Dawson now."

Hypothetical situation:

Calzaghe vs. Dawson (Calzaghe wins): "OH, WELL...OF COURSE HE WON....Dawson was inexperienced....damn you, Joe....stop picking on young inexperienced champions."
It always happens. There will always be excuses.

[Chase8400]

You've summarized what I've always believed. Calzaghe beat Roy (who many were considering a threat), and then after the fight, several people were going:

-Roy Jones wasn't the same (no, he wasn't...but regardless you believed in him by looking back at pffffff...Trinidad/Jones)

-Calzaghe's clowning was disrespectful. (Puh-lease!) Jones would've done the same thing had he been whooping Zag's ass...

Now people are throwing Dawson's name around. IMO, Dawson is a solid fighter, but still too green for someone like Calzaghe. I just think many posters (specifically Westerners) are so concerned on having Calzaghe lose that they want anyone and everyone to fight Calzaghe, just to take away his zero and proclaim: "EXPOSED!"

BTW, I've always rooted against Calzaghe, but fact of the matter is, there was no way he was going to lose that fight against Jones.

I'd love to see Calzaghe dethroned, honestly I would. But he is a terrific fighter and should be rightfully be given his credit.

Once again, this is the mindset of the Calzaghe haters:

Calzaghe vs. Lacy- "HOLY sh**, Calzaghe kicked Lacy's ass!......Well....maybe Lacy wasn't all that to begin with.......yeah......yeah, that's it. Lacy was overrated. Calzaghe just beat a bum, that's all."

Calzaghe vs. Kessler- "Yeah! C'mon, Kessler! Show that Italian fake who's boss!.........Aw, crap! Calzaghe's schoolin' him............and won. Well, uhh.............Kessler's a European fighter......that win didn't mean much........why doesn't Joe come over here to the states and fight some of our American fighters on OUR turf."

Calzaghe vs. Hopkins- "B-Hop the defensive mastermind will shock the world again and expose that fraud! WHAT THE ****?! HE GOT DROPPED!!! YEAH!!!!.............................Aw, crap. Calzaghe won! But he had trouble, though. Calzaghe had trouble against an older fighter, yeah.......he's not that tough. You can run but you can't hide, Joe. Wait 'til Jones gets you."

Calzaghe vs. Jones- "Aw, hell yeah! Zag got dropped! It's over, baby!....WTF?! Roy?! What the hell, man?! He's got his head right in front of you with his arms to the side, DO SOMETHING COTDYAMIT!............Dammit, he won again. All right, that's it....I've had it....this guy better not retire. He better fight Dawson now."

Hypothetical situation:

Calzaghe vs. Dawson (Calzaghe wins): "OH, WELL...OF COURSE HE WON....Dawson was inexperienced....damn you, Joe....stop picking on young inexperienced champions."
It always happens. There will always be excuses.

..........And, as a NON-Calzaghe fan that you are, I suppose you think a prime Jones loses to Joe on the ropes all night too? And lets him off the hook when he had him hurt in the first round?

....Be careful, it's a trick question since you think you're so sharp.