Insider Notebook: Oscar's Weight Shocks, Pacquiao-Hatton

[Benny Leonard]

Now you're blaming the opposing coach for De La Joto's lack of balls. Maybe if Joto would've kept his word about facing the winner of Cotto - Margarito, or dare I say, the southpaw Winky Wright. If Joto would've picked any of the 3 aforementioned fighters, then he woudn't have had to worry about carbs, protein, fats.

Joto is not the victim here, okay. The "Dream Match" was to be another "easy 20 mil" for Joto. PAC was suppose to be the best lil guy about to turn into mince meat by Joto's jabs and killer left hooks. Instead, Joto ended up looking like the rest of his M***can't comrades after PAC does his business.

What does PAC say after he ****s the **** out of a M***cu**, "I'm horny again"(lmao)

If PAC is to blame for anything, it's his lust for Mexican girls, err fighters(hehe)

I've always blamed Oscar for taking the fight...read my other posts. However, I do like to point out Freddie's mind-set.

[Benny Leonard]

Um, how about he just got beat by a better fighter ?


It seems as if people are counting and adding up all of the elements to his loss except for this one.

Because it is not that simple unless we say "on that night based on the circumstances," they yes; I agree. I also agree that Berbick was better than Ali on that night that Berbick won.

[Benny Leonard]

All sports that require "making weight" - like boxing, wrestling, racing jockeys -often cause a lot of health problems for the participants - dehydration, etc. Heavyweights are luckily exempt from this problem.

Kind of, except for having to fight fighters from all sort of different weight ranges and builds, right? You can be 6'0, 210 pounds fighting a guy that is 6'7, 245 pounds. And unlike in the lower weight classes, since HWs don't have to "make weight," they can come in healthy.

[MOREBASS]

Because it is not that simple unless we say "on that night based on the circumstances," they yes; I agree. I also agree that Berbick was better than Ali on that night that Berbick won.

When it all boils down to it.


It really is that simple.

When fighters are introduced and records are shown on the screen, all it shows are numbers. Nothing else.

[Benny Leonard]

When it all boils down to it.


It really is that simple.

When fighters are introduced and records are shown on the screen, all it shows are numbers. Nothing else.

Yeah, I guess so. But I like to use my intelligence. It's this natural response that I have to wonder what happened.

Isn't that why we have history books?

Isn't that why we have Christmas today?

It's like Pac being knocked out twice. Is that all there is to it: The other fighters were just better than him? Maybe.

[Benny Leonard]

Thank you for posting these quotes from 247. This goes to show Oscar was fine and now everyone is giving the chump excuses. RIDICULOUS

You do realize that 24/7 is a promotional show before the bout, right?

What is promoting? Promoting is a tool to get an audience to spend $55 for a fight.
What did Freddie Roach say? Just curious

Like I said before, we shouldn't always take the word of a fighter that is promoting a fight...he wants to get paid. Holyfield still promotes himself as being in the best shape of his life. Ali was bragging about being still great when he was about to fight Larry Holmes.

[Benny Leonard]

He lost a lot of lean muscle, obviously. You couldn't tell by looking at him ? This explains this 'drained' look you speak of.

I see a lot of people saying he had 'no energy'. Does it ever occur to you that maybe he did have the energy, but simply could not keep up with the pace of the fight ?

Pacquiao's punches - 585
De La Hoya's punches - 402

It didn't seem to me that energy was the issue here.


Make no excuses, Oscar had PROFESSIONAL nutritionists and strength and conditioning coaches, as well as state of the art technology on his side.

The outcome of the fight had less to do with his physical condition than it did Manny's tremendous performance. It just sucks that so many of you fail to note this.

It mentioned that Oscar was eating protein, but where were the Carbs and Fats to supply the energy?

The end results proves the nutritionist was either an idiot or a novice in this department. And yes, Oscar is to blame for hiring him and should have questioned the methods.

[Benny Leonard]

He seemed to be on some sort of Ketogenic diet.

It had to have been a Cyclic Ketogenic Diet though, as I don't see how he could have done any type of high intensity training without a carb in his system.

This makes sense, because he was able to cut the weight so easily, and quickly. Also, it would explain why he appeared very slender.

What doesn't make sense though, is why he didn't put on more weight between the weigh in and the fight.

In a ketogenic diet, your body is using fat for fuel, rather than carbs. The way this is accomplished is basically by limiting carb intake to >30g a day...and upping fat intake, with moderate protein intake.


LOL @ Schaefer though. The guy is a Swiss Banker, he really should stick to what he's good at.

I never felt it was ever a safe diet; at least not for someone like me and my genetics and heritage background and way of living up to this point. To me, you need the essentials, especially if you are an athlete...you need, Protein, Carbs, and Fats. If you want to lose weight, sure, you can decrease one of the energy suppliers, like "Carbs." However, I would never cut it that low or out completely; especially if I was an athlete.

A personal friend of mine went on a bodybuilding program that stressed High Protein, High Fat...and very limited carbs. It broke down everything to take by the hour. For the first two months he had incredible energy he told me. The increased Fat was not only to supply energy to the body, but to help increase hormone levels. Well, it did seem to work. He got stronger, a leaner and defined. Howver after two months, he crashed, and crashed hard. He complained about bad fatigue so I told him to try to get his diet back in order...so he did. After another two months of complaining about fatigue, I told him just to see an Endocrinologist. He fought out that his Cortisol levels were sky high and that his T-Levels were off. Now I'm not positive it was because of the diet and training he took up because I don't have a blood test for him prior, which would help, but it may be the case given his Mental and Physical Condition prior to the diet. It may not effect everybody the same because we are all different, but for him, it did.

[CRESCENDOPOWER]

Oscar is to blame for hiring him and should have questioned the methods.

Yes, the only person Oscar has to blame is himself for not getting a second, or third opinion. No credit taken away from Pacman however.

[trainhard_187]

You do realize that 24/7 is a promotional show before the bout, right?

What is promoting? Promoting is a tool to get an audience to spend $55 for a fight.
What did Freddie Roach say? Just curious

Like I said before, we shouldn't always take the word of a fighter that is promoting a fight...he wants to get paid. Holyfield still promotes himself as being in the best shape of his life. Ali was bragging about being still great when he was about to fight Larry Holmes.

I know that, but after the 1st episode which was 4 weeks prior to the fight, no post or threads were brought up about DLH looking Dehydrated or weight drained. Ive watched those episodes like 10x, Oscar was in the 145-150 range during those shows and he was fine then.

Plus being dehydrated doesnt stop you from throwing punches. Oscar's mind was out of it after Rd1 and realized that Pacs speed was tooooo much. The Delahoya camp is just trying to give him an excuse so his casual fans will by into his next gimmick.