Insider Notebook: Oscar's Weight Shocks, Pacquiao-Hatton

[MOREBASS]

Um, how about he just got beat by a better fighter ?


It seems as if people are counting and adding up all of the elements to his loss except for this one.

[potatoes]

Um, how about he just got beat by a better fighter ?


It seems as if people are counting and adding up all of the elements to his loss except for this one.

It goes beyond that. I was certain Pacquiao would win, but never for one minute did I think it would be a ridiculous beatdown. DLH was acting like he had never boxed before.

[We want Floyd]

I hope Oscar and Richy learned their lesson to pay attention to history and not be greedy. Also, again, the ever "classy" Freddie Roach should be ashamed of himself for taking this fight at this weight. He said after the fight he knew what was likely to happen based on the history of other fighters that came back down in weight...well, you are an accomplice my friend. What if Oscar would have been seriously hurt. You my friend have Parkinsons...you should know better.



So it was an all protein diet?
Any Fats?

where is the energy source?
You need CARBS if you are an athlete.





Anybody else know that?

More points lost for Freddie as well as Oscar for making this agreement.


Freddie loves seeing Mexicans fry themselves for the weigh-in and then dying on the scales.

I wonder if Freddie is seriously pissed off with his condition that he wants others to suffer as well.

Now you're blaming the opposing coach for De La Joto's lack of balls. Maybe if Joto would've kept his word about facing the winner of Cotto - Margarito, or dare I say, the southpaw Winky Wright. If Joto would've picked any of the 3 aforementioned fighters, then he woudn't have had to worry about carbs, protein, fats.

Joto is not the victim here, okay. The "Dream Match" was to be another "easy 20 mil" for Joto. PAC was suppose to be the best lil guy about to turn into mince meat by Joto's jabs and killer left hooks. Instead, Joto ended up looking like the rest of his M***can't comrades after PAC does his business.

What does PAC say after he ****s the **** out of a M***cu**, "I'm horny again"(lmao)

If PAC is to blame for anything, it's his lust for Mexican girls, err fighters(hehe)

[slickwalt210]

My thoughts on Oscar..

When the fight was announced, I was skeptical about the weight. Then I thought about it and realized that Oscar just fought at 150 for Forbes, so I figured 3 lbs wouldn't be bad. Stevie Forbes is a quick fighter with excellent boxing skils and he gave Oscar trouble, but the size and power difference were too much for him. Manny on the other hand is a different animal; his speed is greater than Forbes and he has more mobility. That's what ultimately gave Oscar trouble.
As for the diet, I was always taught to eat what you normally eat during training, you just lessen the intake. Making weight so soon definitely hurt him and being 143lb, which he probably hasn't seen in over ten years was crazy. His body was definitely in shock on fight night. But what us outsiders don't know is what he really looked like in training. Only those in the camp know what really was going on.
Oscar will be back, he can't leave knowing that he couldn't perform because of a weight issue. He's a fighter and every fighter wants to go out on top. When you think about it, that's the first beating Oscar has ever taken in the ring. His other losses were by close decision, with the exception of the Hopkins fight, where it was obvious that Hopkins was too strong for him. He has a few more fights in him at 154lb...

[dondi330]

it was calzaghe cause no americans would give him credit for being a great slap boxing champ.

You probably right but I know some kids in The Bronx...that I think can take him in slap boxing championship and showboating!

[werewolf]

All sports that require "making weight" - like boxing, wrestling, racing jockeys -often cause a lot of health problems for the participants - dehydration, etc. Heavyweights are luckily exempt from this problem.

[flipbjefrox]

Since you're complaining and making excuses. Would it have been fair if Pacquiao agreed to fight Oscar at 154 in order to make this fight?? You're ridiculous.
Pacquiao went up 3 weightclasses (only had 1 fight at LW) and Oscar went down just one. That itself was ridiculously unfair..........and of course IT ISN'T anymore coz Pac won convincingly.

benny is still pissed off that pac just **** on floyd's resume and career when pac demolished floyd's biggest win. hehehehehe. merry x-mas. dont let the pacman bug bites

[Sudo]

I see a lot of you never really cut weight.
What Schaefer said, about Oscar not getting weight is very concerning.
After weigh ins 99% of fighters gains weight, no problem.

After Oscar showed at 147 i believed that was his walking weight and that he cut it gradually during training camp (like i usually do, with a proper food intake, healthy food, i always have energy and don't gain a lot of weight, maybe 2-3 pounds) and that he gained maybe two pounds after eating that day, and drinking.

But in the fight it was obvious he didn't do it the correct way, no energy, slow, body looked drained, skinny legs.
Obviously something went wrong, and Oscar needs to know what so he doesn't repeat it.

The way Manny fought, Oscar could have weighed in at 154 and would probably loose, but it would be a fight, this was just a beatdown.

[trainhard_187]

Coming down to welterweight actually enhances my speed. ~ Oscar

Oscar has all the answers for Manny Pacquiao, whatever he tries. ~ Angelo Dundee

He's at the point now where he sees things before they happen. ~ Member of De La Hoya's team, 24/7 series

I felt the same way that Oscar feels now. It's that, people are counting him out, people thinking that he can't pull the trigger. People thinking that he ain't gonna be able to fight three minutes for 12 rounds. Well, he can dictate the fight the way he want it to be. ~ Bernard Hopkins

The timing is perfect, him coming in a couple of weeks before the fight. When Hopkins is telling you "well, just relax and fight your fight, take his heart right from the start" it pumps you up. It pumps you up and makes you more confident. ~ Oscar

Oscar has his chance, come December 6, to prove himself. Yes, Pacquiao is fighting Oscar, but Oscar is fighting to keep that legacy alive and respected. We (we?) now are fighting for pride and dignity. Principle. ~ Bernard Hopkins

This type of fight at this stage of my career, I'm so hungry for the knockout, that's why I'm working as hard as I am. My style and his style? Sooner or later we're gonna clash! Knockout. There will be a knockout! ~ Oscar

I feel in tremendous shape. I mean, I can spar 12 rounds here with no problem. I can run 10 miles with ease. ~ Oscar

I haven't felt this good in a long, long time. ~ Oscar

Thank you for posting these quotes from 247. This goes to show Oscar was fine and now everyone is giving the chump excuses. RIDICULOUS

[MOREBASS]

I see a lot of you never really cut weight.

But in the fight it was obvious he didn't do it the correct way, no energy, slow, body looked drained, skinny legs.
Obviously something went wrong, and Oscar needs to know what so he doesn't repeat it.

The way Manny fought, Oscar could have weighed in at 154 and would probably loose, but it would be a fight, this was just a beatdown.

He lost a lot of lean muscle, obviously. You couldn't tell by looking at him ? This explains this 'drained' look you speak of.

I see a lot of people saying he had 'no energy'. Does it ever occur to you that maybe he did have the energy, but simply could not keep up with the pace of the fight ?

Pacquiao's punches - 585
De La Hoya's punches - 402

It didn't seem to me that energy was the issue here.


Make no excuses, Oscar had PROFESSIONAL nutritionists and strength and conditioning coaches, as well as state of the art technology on his side.

The outcome of the fight had less to do with his physical condition than it did Manny's tremendous performance. It just sucks that so many of you fail to note this.