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Holyfield says Joe Louis couldn't make it in boxing today
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Originally posted by pesticid View PostHolyfield couldn't even beat John Ruiz
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Originally posted by moneytheman View Post
Facts look at these names bowe razor fury
Anthony foreman ali usyk mike evender Frazier ruiz deontay canelo judah byrd and I can name many other mid/high level fighters that would destroy him in the 1st or 2nd and that whole era and the era's before his time they all were trash compared to these years 70s-now
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I think Bivol would box his ears of with his shell defense, deadly 1-2s and timing. Even Canelo got caught with his ATG head movement.
Beterbiev could KO him but I like Louis' style against Beterbiev. He was technical and big puncher like Beterbiev. 50/50.
He would KO Joe Smith Jr.
Gvozdyk would box his ears off like Bivol.
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I favour him over Okolie and Makabu.
Briedis would box his ears off. He stole 5 rounds from Usyk.
Usyk would kill him.
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Originally posted by Silence View Post
Louis would be big LHW or CW today. He was tall.
LHWs:
I think Bivol would box his ears of with his shell defense, deadly 1-2s and timing. Even Canelo got caught with his ATG head movement.
Beterbiev could KO him but I like Louis' style against Beterbiev. He was technical and big puncher like Beterbiev. 50/50.
He would KO Joe Smith Jr.
Gvozdyk would box his ears off like Bivol.
CWs:
I favour him over Okolie and Makabu.
Briedis would box his ears off. He stole 5 rounds from Usyk.
Usyk would kill him.
So don't get where you got Beter being a chance for joe or do I get where you got makabu losing to joe when he is great and to skilled for joe
Coincidence cause my name is joe Smith but im not a Jr he would beat joe to
like you pick for joe is odd or the man was slow stiff and missing advances that all the fighters you named had over him he would be destroyed and fast like its no reason to pick him over any of these dudes he loses to all
none of the dudes he fought in his time had all the advances in movement these fighters had none at all and they all were stiff and very hesitant at times comparedLast edited by Ascended; 05-29-2022, 11:59 AM.
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Originally posted by moneytheman View Post
What do you mean joe would be big why can't you drop him in the way he would keep him that way and then tell me if he would ko joe okelie and makabu cause makabu is great he is great at dodging and countering
So don't get where you got Beter being a chance for joe or do I get where you got makabu losing to joe when he is great and to skilled for joe
Coincidence cause my name is joe Smith but im not a Jr he would beat joe to
like you pick for joe is odd or the man was slow stiff and missing advances that all the fighters you named had over him he would be destroyed and fast like its no reason to pick him over any of these dudes he loses to all
Makabu, Okolie and Smith Jr. are plodders. Louis was ATG. Primitive but ATG. It's too disrespectful put those guys over him.
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Originally posted by Silence View Post
Louis' punch power and technique was good. Very good. His problem was his defense. He could KO all of these guys if he could catch. But, he couldn't catch that's why he is primitive.
Makabu, Okolie and Smith Jr. are plodders. Louis was ATG. Primitive but ATG. It's too disrespectful put those guys over him.
You said makabu is plod he moves slow on his feet yea but his punch angles are great and is a good counterer
Smith a picker good at fighting from range and inside another advanced angled fighter he isnt plod he moves around while staying in front
Okelie a patient picker likes to take his time and fight usually from range/mid and brawls and does it good
None of these fighters are hesitant or stiff or slow as the Joe era was so where is the disrespect at and you cant name anybody in Joe's era who fought with the tech and the stuff I named your trolling the wrong person atg doesn't have anything to do with h2h or comparing fighters from other eras you either need glasses or are like I said trolling the wrong person and I pick all these dudes and way more of joe cause of the advances i said that these guys have combined with not being stiff and slow like the Joe era
And I'll leave out other fighters who has different styles that joe never faced who have the same advances i saidLast edited by Ascended; 05-29-2022, 12:17 PM.
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Originally posted by moneytheman View Post
Disrespect how maybe this will work since you trying to pretend to be blind which doesn't work with me as you should know
You said makabu is plod he moves slow on his feet yea but his punch angles are great and is a good counterer
Smith a picker good at fighting from range and inside another advanced angled fighter he isnt plod he moves around while staying in front
Okelie a patient picker likes to take his time and fight usually from range/mid and brawls and does it good
None of these fighters are hesitant or stiff or slow as the Joe era was so where is the disrespect at and you cant name anybody in Joe's era who fought with the tech and the stuff I named your trolling the wrong person atg doesn't have anything to do with h2h or comparing fighters from other eras you either need glasses or are like I said trolling the wrong personLast edited by Silence; 05-29-2022, 12:21 PM.
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Originally posted by Silence View Post
No, you're disrespectful. Louis was modern for his time. Robinson praised his style and technique. Inspired by him. I don't think he would lose to Makabu or Okolie. He dominated his era. And, he could beat some guys from this era.
yeah thats the thing, holyfield is a top fighter in his own right. its not like we are matching louis with some bum or abc belt holder. holyfiled was fighting guys who are 240 and also on gear like he was, its a different era. joe louis was fighting a lot of 185 pound guys who boxed part time and worked at a factory.Damn Wicked
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Originally posted by Silence View Post
No, you're disrespectful. Louis was modern for his time. Robinson praised his style and technique. Inspired by him. I don't think he would lose to Makabu or Okolie. He dominated his era. And, he could beat some guys from this era.
Ali showed you the same exact thing I always said why did he mock him if he wasnt like I said
why did Bill and jers outbox joe easy and make him look foolish when joe was supposed to be the best mover of the whole era
Had Ali Frazier and others in his era been in Joe's time none of them would struggle like joe did
These questions all lead to the the same quote/catch phrase I always said joe was slow stiff and missing advances the real joe im talking one only
not the fiction joe that you think that was real remember you said what you think yet have no evidence of joe fighting these type of people with all the advances in movement i brokedown so your thoughts don't matter to me for the fiction joe
is it anything to disagree with since were talking on 2 different versions of a fighter it shouldn't be anything to disagree with
I have asked you people since last year to prove me wrong you refuse to all I get is video I already seen of the REAL JOE I told you of nobody has and wont give me video of the fiction joe that you talk of and othersLast edited by Ascended; 05-29-2022, 01:02 PM.
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