Holyfield says Joe Louis couldn't make it in boxing today

[Marchegiano]

I think that's a two-lane street and Holy didn't put much thought in Louis studying him.

[Marchegiano]

Was Joe Louis juiced to the gills like Evander?

Would it even matter? Who does 30s/40s roids? Pretty sure that **** is out of date and more dangerous, not a roid head though, I dunno.

[Johnny2x2x]

I agree with Holyfield.

Why is boxing the only sport where the fans and analysts don't think today's athletes are far superior to yesterday's? No one is running around saying Mean Joe Green at 6-4, 270 lbs would be a good DT in today's NFL. People don't think George Mikan could play in today's NBA.

But people think boxers from 80 years ago could compete physically with today's better trained and conditioned boxers. I think weight classes give us the impression that those fighters from different eras were equal because they weighed about the same, but that's simply not the case. Sports evolves, boxing is no different. The greats from the 80s would probably fare no better today than the NFL greats from the 80s would fare in football. Today's boxers are stronger, faster, more durable, and better conditioned. We know so much more about peak performance today than we did even 40 years ago. These fighters have teams of nutritionists, teams of trainers, it's a science. And they also have extensive film of everyone, so there are no surprises on fight night style wise.

No sport romaticizes the past more than boxing. The greats from yesteryear would get destroyed by today's modern athletes, the same way some LB from the 60s would break in half trying to tackle someone like Derek Henry in the NFL.

[daggum]

boxing has evolved so much since then, the guys these days are extremely skilled....insert gif of wilder falling over while throwing punches

[PRINCEKOOL]

I agree with Holyfield.

Why is boxing the only sport where the fans and analysts don't think today's athletes are far superior to yesterday's? No one is running around saying Mean Joe Green at 6-4, 270 lbs would be a good DT in today's NFL. People don't think George Mikan could play in today's NBA.

But people think boxers from 80 years ago could compete physically with today's better trained and conditioned boxers. I think weight classes give us the impression that those fighters from different eras were equal because they weighed about the same, but that's simply not the case. Sports evolves, boxing is no different. The greats from the 80s would probably fare no better today than the NFL greats from the 80s would fare in football. Today's boxers are stronger, faster, more durable, and better conditioned. We know so much more about peak performance today than we did even 40 years ago. These fighters have teams of nutritionists, teams of trainers, it's a science. And they also have extensive film of everyone, so there are no surprises on fight night style wise.

No sport romaticizes the past more than boxing. The greats from yesteryear would get destroyed by today's modern athletes, the same way some LB from the 60s would break in half trying to tackle someone like Derek Henry in the NFL.

Are athletes of today competing under the same conditions as athletes from the past? No.

How are boxers in better conditioning today? Do they fight 15 rounds? Why are most heavyweights visibly out of condition, if according to you they are in better condition? Are you trying to tell me that Andy Ruiz Junior and Tyson Fury are in better condition than Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle and many more of the 70's heavyweights? What is your proof of this? Where are the feats of endurance?

What is stopping boxers from the past, if they where transported to 2022 utilize the information and technologies that are about today? And if they where allowed to do that, they would be completely different fighters 'Area's of their game may improve'.

You see when you stop and think mate 'Critically think, you will realize what you have stated is way off' and not 100% factual.

If you was to transport back in time, all these modern day fighters that rely on protein shakes, supplement pills, 24 hour babying from strength and conditioning coaches. If all of those fighters where transported back to the 1920's, 30's, 40's, 50's and so on. And the only thing these fighters remember was that they were fighters, and they had to train and live like everyone other fighter of that generation.

Do you really think Tyson Fury would be 270 + pounds? Do you really think Usyk would be 221 pounds? We have already seen what happens to Joshua when he misses a day or two in the weights room. All of these fighters would be completely different fighters. Only the truly old school fighters of these modern times, can go back in time and still be the same fighter 'Fighters who's training is still based off old school methodologies'.

Fighters such as Floyd Mayweather Junior, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis.

With all these technology about, and advancements in sport science. Fighters are still turning up badly out of condition. So how on earth do you class this athletes as superior?

I don't think fighters have evolved for the better entirely. They may have changed, but I am not entirely sure if it is for the better. To be the fighters especially heavyweights since the 90's, have gotten increasingly less athletic 'And naturally more unfit, alarmingly unfit'. To the point where if a fighter turns up resembling a Olympic athlete, he is automatically accused of taking performance enhancing drugs.

Now the Heavyweight division is still the best division, it is my favorite division 'But I have to be honest with the standard which I witness'.

[Boxing fan1981]

Toney is as close to throwback as you can get and Holyfield
couldn't even beaat him

I mean he was in his 40’s. Once boxers hit 40 they’re vulnerable to get an ass beating by any boxer.

[Clegg]

His 'videotape' theory is wrong. Schmeling watched tape of Louis before their first fight, before JL was even champ. Also, Louis was great in rematches so even once fighters got to study him up close, he usually figured them out quicker.

[Clegg]

Was Joe Louis juiced to the gills like Evander?

Steroids in athletics started in the 1950s in Sovietland, so Joe was clean, but I'm not sure when boxers started using them. I feel like it was in the 80s that heavyweights all started to have that look to them, not saying they all used but seemed to have more muscle than the guys of 10-15 years before. I guess we'll never know as nobody comes out and admits it unless they get caught.

[Jsmooth9876]

Steroids in athletics started in the 1950s in Sovietland, so Joe was clean, but I'm not sure when boxers started using them. I feel like it was in the 80s that heavyweights all started to have that look to them, not saying they all used but seemed to have more muscle than the guys of 10-15 years before. I guess we'll never know as nobody comes out and admits it unless they get caught.

I know that what was I was getting at. Holyfield was a juicer and Louis was not. If Louis was around in the 90's and using like Holyfield I think he would be able to hold his own or beat Evander for sure. Comparing a clean 1930's to 1950's athlete with the steroid infested guys from the 70's through today is useless

[pesticid]

Holyfield couldn't even beat John Ruiz