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Thank you Horus.Comment
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Boxers have 17 weight classes to fit into. They should be compelled to fight within the one that most nearly reflects their actual trim and fit weight.
The primary objective of having 17 weight classes in this sport should be to determine the best fighters within specific intervals of weight. Not to pick on Manny Pacquiao, but if he weighs a trim and fit 145 lbs. on fight night, then how on Earth can we call him the 130 lb. champion with a straight face? Why have so many weight classes if the boxers being weighed are going to make a mockery of the system?
Arturo Gatti-Joey Gamache
A prime example is the Arturo Gatti-Joey Gamache fight at Madison Square Garden in February 2000. Gatti's official weight for that fight was 140.5 lbs. Gamache's was 140 lbs. On fight night, according to HBO's unofficial scales, however, Gatti weighed 160 lbs. while Gamache weighed 142 lbs.
The Gatti-Gamache fight should never have been allowed to take place. Instead, Gatti obliterated the game Gamache inside of two rounds. Gatti nearly killed Gamache and did injure him badly enough to end the game fringe contender's career. Instead, of sparking outrage within the boxing community the Gatti-Gamache fight is mostly remembered as the fight where Gatti re-stabilized his standing as a 140 lb. title contender. A 160 lb. man beating down a 142 lb. man proved that the 160 lb. man could contend for titles at 140 lbs. It should not make sense, but somehow in the boxing world it does.
Now that many of the top boxers are beginning to fight each other and the problem of not having many compelling elite level match ups appears to have been resolved, perhaps it's time to turn our attention to the fact that Manny Pacquiao can win a 130 lb. title while weighing 145 lbs. and Arturo Gatti can become a 140 lb. contender while weighing 160 lbs. You never know. It''s possible that the variance in size within weight classes may play a role in the entertainment value of the product/fights we enjoy watching. Size differential should not be an issue in a sport with 17 weight classes. Somehow, in boxing it is a huge issue that we do not talk about enough.
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How is this thread 15 pages long?
So much fail.Comment
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Oh Im sorry. Should I provide specific examples of the WBA's corruption? I promise, that won't be hard to do at all.
Whats fuuny to me is it is a fact that they are corrupt, yet it coincides with your argument so you choose to overlook this little tid bit of information. Now that is brilliant! But only if someone doesn't catch on to it ya dope!Comment
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I did you one better I found a article written by a WBA Ringside doctor who states that even by todays standards with day before weight in's it is still not safe for a boxer to drain his body the day before a fight. So even with the day before weigh in's there really isn't much of an advantage since a day isn't enough to recover all his fluids and it still impairs his skills.
Sounds like an even playing field to me!!!!!
"A proper return to normalcy requires 24 to 48 hours for fluids, 75 hours for muscle glycogen (our fuel source), and greater than 75 hours for muscle tissue (our source of strength). A boxer is cheating his/her body if expecting a return to normalcy in one day. A claimed 24-hour period for recovery “just doesn’t hold water” by valid science. Just a rapid two percent loss of body weight impairs an athlete’s endurance by 20%, and robs strength, endurance, and motivation. Recent preliminary studies also suggest that a rapid loss of 2-1/2% body weight causes a decrease in shock-absorbing brain fluid, potentially increasing the risk of concussion and bleeding in a dehydrated boxer’s injured brain"
By Margaret Goodman, M.D.
Buzz up!
When I became a ring physician in 1994, I was naïve about the boxing business. But as I became more involved in the sport on a local and national level, the outright refusal by many officials to implement desperately needed changes to protect fighters and improve safety became suffocating.
Why the delay? Is it just naivete on the part of others? Or is safety often too complicated a distraction? And when is naivete merely blind ignorance?
While safety in sports like NASCAR and professional football has evolved, boxing safety has not, at least not sufficiently. Commissions concentrate on deflecting blame rather than ensuring that federal law is followed. Accountability simply doesn’t exist.
Let’s simplify the matter and start not with what we wish, but what we can change now to advance boxer protection. Five changes that could improve fighter safety:
1. Go back to same-day weigh-ins
If an athlete is well-conditioned, the timing of the weigh-in shouldn’t matter. For generations, the weigh-in took place the day of the fight. Boxers would step on a scale, drink a cup of water and step in the ring. But some of them came into a bout so dry they were unable to give a good performance. They often failed to replace essential fluids and therefore couldn’t address problems on a cellular level that resulted from dehydrating to make weight.
In the mid-1980s, the weigh-in was pushed back to 24-hours before a bout to address the dehydration issue. Many were optimistic this would be a springboard to educate fighters and trainers about the dangers of dehydration.
Unfortunately, the day-before-the-fight weigh-in has become an agent of unfairness contradictory to fighter safety. Contracts are too often based on earning power and not body size, meaning boxers are competing in weight classes in which they don’t belong. With many weigh-ins taking place more than 24 hours before the bout, fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight.
Same-day weigh-ins would force fighters to compete in a weight class where they belong. Also, if they would show up at the weigh-in (no more than 12 hours before the bout) dehydrated, they simply wouldn’t be cleared to fight.
The cost to return to same-day weigh-ins would be negligible. Over a short period of time, it would encourage fighters to compete in a weight class in which they belong. Fights would be fairer, and there would be less wear and tear on the fighter’s body. And, ultimately, healthy, well-hydrated fighters make for more exciting fights.
Boxing needs to admit its mistake and revert to same-day weigh-ins.Last edited by Horus; 12-24-2008, 02:04 AM.Comment
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LOL did you also know that Gamache turned down a same day weigh in that was offered by the Gatti camp before the fight? This was reported by USA today but oh they must be a corrupt boxing orginization too.
"The inspector general also noted that Gamache's handlers had rejected an advance offer for a same-day weigh-in"
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LOL did you also know that Gamache turned down a same day weigh in that was offered by the Gatti camp before the fight? This was reported by USA today but oh they must be a corrupt boxing orginization too.
"The inspector general also noted that Gamache's handlers had rejected an advance offer for a same-day weigh-in"
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By Margaret Goodman, M.D.
Buzz up!
When I became a ring physician in 1994, I was naïve about the boxing business. But as I became more involved in the sport on a local and national level, the outright refusal by many officials to implement desperately needed changes to protect fighters and improve safety became suffocating.
Why the delay? Is it just naivete on the part of others? Or is safety often too complicated a distraction? And when is naivete merely blind ignorance?
While safety in sports like NASCAR and professional football has evolved, boxing safety has not, at least not sufficiently. Commissions concentrate on deflecting blame rather than ensuring that federal law is followed. Accountability simply doesn’t exist.
Let’s simplify the matter and start not with what we wish, but what we can change now to advance boxer protection. Five changes that could improve fighter safety:
1. Go back to same-day weigh-ins
If an athlete is well-conditioned, the timing of the weigh-in shouldn’t matter. For generations, the weigh-in took place the day of the fight. Boxers would step on a scale, drink a cup of water and step in the ring. But some of them came into a bout so dry they were unable to give a good performance. They often failed to replace essential fluids and therefore couldn’t address problems on a cellular level that resulted from dehydrating to make weight.
In the mid-1980s, the weigh-in was pushed back to 24-hours before a bout to address the dehydration issue. Many were optimistic this would be a springboard to educate fighters and trainers about the dangers of dehydration.
Unfortunately, the day-before-the-fight weigh-in has become an agent of unfairness contradictory to fighter safety. Contracts are too often based on earning power and not body size, meaning boxers are competing in weight classes in which they don’t belong. With many weigh-ins taking place more than 24 hours before the bout, fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight.
Same-day weigh-ins would force fighters to compete in a weight class where they belong. Also, if they would show up at the weigh-in (no more than 12 hours before the bout) dehydrated, they simply wouldn’t be cleared to fight.
The cost to return to same-day weigh-ins would be negligible. Over a short period of time, it would encourage fighters to compete in a weight class in which they belong. Fights would be fairer, and there would be less wear and tear on the fighter’s body. And, ultimately, healthy, well-hydrated fighters make for more exciting fights.
Boxing needs to admit its mistake and revert to same-day weigh-ins.Comment
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[QUOTE=pistol whip;4511466]LOL did you also know that Gamache turned down a same day weigh in that was offered by the Gatti camp before the fight? This was reported by USA today but oh they must be a corrupt boxing orginization too.
"The inspector general also noted that Gamache's handlers had rejected an advance offer for a same-day weigh-in"
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Ok, tell me this. what does that have to do with Gatti being almost 20lbs heavier come fight time? Does that make it fair that Gatti was 3 divisions higher? Im waiting for your answer along with those thousands of names.Comment
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