Sameday weigh in's and Margarito. Why you are wrong!!!!

[Kris Silver]

Who has to work harder to make weight the bigger guy or the smaller guy? The bigger guy of coarse.

Even if the bigger guy makes weight without trouble who is most likely to have more in the tank come fight time? The smaller guy.

This is where the playing field evens out!

The matter at hand is weight classes, fighters are purely divided by that for safety. Bringing in a whole lot of other factors of your choice and interpretation like this does not excuse the one main thing for classifying boxers for safety, which is by weight.

Saying oh my WW fighter is now 15 lbs heavier than yours and at MW, but it's ok because we think he's worked harder, is completely laughable and makes one really question your motives and judgement.

[LondonRingRules]

What about +1 to 5 pound cap? Say the fight is at 147...you can have up to +1 to 5 pounds allowed by fight time. This way, you don't have to cancel the fight, however, maybe there can be some penalty.

** Benny, Benny, Benny, Benny, Benny, Benny, now there you go again.

Looks like not only are you watching the wrong sport, but clearly missed your natural calling as gulug kapitan. Boxers not named heavies have always squeezed down to make weight and been allowed recovery.

Maybe you want everyone to fight like Oscar did last outing.

Firefighter or construction worker might drink a gallon or more of water in the course of a day before taking a rest and still be dehydrated. Go try it Benny, eat and drink nothing for 36 hrs and then go on an "easy" 10K run. Just make sure your health insurance, cell phone, last will and testament, and burial plans are updated and paid for.

Now, I'm thinking most of you would be better served with another umpteenth thread on Floydy dearest coming back. That more in line with your natural attributes and you can always shine there.......

[Kris Silver]

Im not even bothering with the Margarito part of this post. But I do want to look at the bigger picture for a minute. If fighters were dying because they drained there body to make weight, who's fault is that? Im not trying to be callus, but we have weight classes for a reason. Hell, even when I wrestled in high school I knew when I couldn't make weight any more and it was time to move up. Proffessional fighters do to, but some of them pay the price for trying to beat the odds.

Is it really fair to a natural 140 pounder to have to fight a guy who can blow up to 160 two days later (see Gamache-Gatti)? If so, what is the point in having weight classes to begin with?

Any fighter trying to make weight should be responsible for himself and determining when its to dangerous to keep cutting weight. Maybe the ABC groups should always have doctors monitoring the fighters weight leading up to the fight. But it is hardly fair to give B an extra day to rehydrate and blow up 15 or 20lbs, when fighter A has made the weight naturally and comfotably from the beginning. JMO.

Terrific post, assessing the wider picture fairly and objectively there.

There is only one way of separating hundreds and thousands of fighters whom put their and their opponents health at risk, and that is by weight. Nothing else, weight.

Regardless of all other factors, if that very thing is significantly manipulated or undermined leaving guys fighting at different weight classes, then the system has failed. There's no getting away from that, there just isn't.

The closer to fight the boxer is weighed at the correct acceptable weight for that division, the more accurate it is, less undermined and manipulated. If you leave it a week it's almost pointless because the variation someone can put on weight versus another is just too huge for it to be even remotely accurate or worthwhile, as a safety mechanism for separating boxers.

A few hours before fight time is probably unfortunately at least as the culture is now, too close too fight time. Reason being there's a deep strong culture of draining weight un healthily or naturally and then putting lots on come fight night, and them being hydrated enough. That doesn't mean such a weight time is wrong however, just unthinkable which is testament to how out of touch the culture has become. Fighters should be roughly around fighting weight for at least a week and remain relatively close to it to really be fair and merit the weight systems properly.

24ish hours before fight time falls in between, but it is too close to fight time. It's a full day and in this day and age there can be massive variances hugely undermining the safety system of weight separation. I accept we can't be as close to fight time as the 3 hours eg. at least yet, but 24 hrs is still too much to ensure putting same size guys in the ring.

Why do we have 24 hours ish now on the whole, largely because it's convenient for the media, television, networks, business, promoters, fans to have it late at night the night before, and that's mostly money which is increasingly what boxing is being driven by. So it's not an acceptable thing, 12 hours would go a long way to control better this big culture of draining and ballooning undermining the weight classes there for safety. 12 hours, and keeping a slightly closer watch on the weight and safety of boxers 7 days leading up to said weigh in, and post, is a sensible small step to go someday to resolve things, correct things so weight classes are actually at least somewhat abided by.

[Benny Leonard]

** Benny, Benny, Benny, Benny, Benny, Benny, now there you go again.

Looks like not only are you watching the wrong sport, but clearly missed your natural calling as gulug kapitan. Boxers not named heavies have always squeezed down to make weight and been allowed recovery.

Maybe you want everyone to fight like Oscar did last outing.

Firefighter or construction worker might drink a gallon or more of water in the course of a day before taking a rest and still be dehydrated. Go try it Benny, eat and drink nothing for 36 hrs and then go on an "easy" 10K run. Just make sure your health insurance, cell phone, last will and testament, and burial plans are updated and paid for.

Now, I'm thinking most of you would be better served with another umpteenth thread on Floydy dearest coming back. That more in line with your natural attributes and you can always shine there.......

Point: Oscar's choice and he did it in this era. It cost him too. I think that may be the last time he does that. Although, maybe not. Either way, it's his choice and he was warned.

Of course I'm going to get Floyd lover on this one by some, but notice Floyd weighs 149 pounds by fight time fighting in the 147 pound division.

Now if you look at others that are around this by fight time, it's basically the majority of current fighters in the 140 pound division. Have them fight at 147and make sure they have a cap to not go over say, 150 by fight time. The three pounds will serve as room to not cancel the fight.

And, for those that wanted to risk draining to get in this division; it's on them.

Fighters are draining to make weight even today...so it's on them.

[CottoIsBackBtch]

So you are ok with them dying in the ring?

BS! they should weigh in at their best IN SHAPE NATURAL weight and not in a DEHYDRATED state.

They DIE in the ring when there is a 10 -15 lb difference!

We should NEVER see fights in which each 1 dude is 2 weight classes above the other.

[Horus]

then fight in the right weight class, then there wouldn't be deaths...................

..Exactly..

[pistol whip]

The matter at hand is weight classes, fighters are purely divided by that for safety. Bringing in a whole lot of other factors of your choice and interpretation like this does not excuse the one main thing for classifying boxers for safety, which is by weight.

Saying oh my WW fighter is now 15 lbs heavier than yours and at MW, but it's ok because we think he's worked harder, is completely laughable and makes one really question your motives and judgement.

And most of the fighters he has fought over the last 4 years have also rehydrated to about the same weight so how is Margarito even in the equation. Yes I think he deserves that advantage because it's not a secret that he's gonna come in at that weight so whats the issue. Up until this point nobody wanted to fight him but now everybody wants a piece of him. Ironic that all of a sudden his size becomes and excuse and that excuse isn't even being made by the fighter themselves.

[pistol whip]

BS! they should weigh in at their best IN SHAPE NATURAL weight and not in a DEHYDRATED state.

They DIE in the ring when there is a 10 -15 lb difference!

We should NEVER see fights in which each 1 dude is 2 weight classes above the other.

Do we live in Eutopia where everything is perfect? No we don't so think realistically here. Fighters are gonna do what they have to do to earn money the end.

[pistol whip]

Point: Oscar's choice and he did it in this era. It cost him too. I think that may be the last time he does that. Although, maybe not. Either way, it's his choice and he was warned.

Of course I'm going to get Floyd lover on this one by some, but notice Floyd weighs 149 pounds by fight time fighting in the 147 pound division.

Now if you look at others that are around this by fight time, it's basically the majority of current fighters in the 140 pound division. Have them fight at 147and make sure they have a cap to not go over say, 150 by fight time. The three pounds will serve as room to not cancel the fight.

And, for those that wanted to risk draining to get in this division; it's on them.

Fighters are draining to make weight even today...so it's on them.

And which fighters are boiling themselves down to make weight???? Other than hatton, Baldomir, and Jose Luis Castillo I hear very little horror stories regarding weight in boxing anymore.

[JAB5239]

Do we live in Eutopia where everything is perfect? No we don't so think realistically here. Fighters are gonna do what they have to do to earn money the end.

That is fine by me. But it doesn't mean we should bend any rules or give them an unfair advantage. If they want to take the chance of dehydrating themselves to make weight they need, we all need to accept the consequences of their actions, no matter how tragic.