Duran is not a top ten ATG

[JAB5239]

How many fighters would Greb be able to beat today, with fighters being bigger, faster, smarter, more equipped nutrionally suppliments, better training, more video tape footage allowing for fighters to use technical and strategic process's to beat their foes. Little things like how Holyfield dipped when ever Tyson went to throw his left hook, or how Hopkins took away Trinidad left, these things are picked up off of technology that exist today before did not exist, or to the extreme it does today.

I couldn't give an honest answer how Greb would do today. But I would imagine quite well considering the praise he has garnered thru people like Ray arcel and other who actually saw him fight and have an informed opinion.

You argue video technology makes todays fighters better. I would argue it was tougher to go into a fight against men you knew little or nothing about. The great fighter of the past learned their trade by actually putting it into practice over and over. When the misinformed today see an old fighters record with double digit losses they fail to take everything into consideration and just leap to a judgement that todays fighters must be better.

Historians, really think that the style the tunney and dempsy employed would be successful vs the fighters of the 80's-90's and now. Vs the Size of today's heavyweghts.

People things are different. Just like we had this arguement about basketball. How, back in Bob cousy's day he was the best point guard, but today he would have a hard time making many elite high school teams. In fact he would not. Wilt would be a grea player but do you think he would hit 100 points ever in todays game. Did he no play in a era when the avg size was from 6'1 at pt guard to 6'7 at center.

Outside of the heavyweight division not much has changed for fighters due to the fact that there ARE weight divisions.

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[JAB5239]

Damn, I lost a ton of my post because it was to long. I'll try and go over whats missing at another time.

[JAB5239]

so this post means you're not going to try and prove me wrong about roy's resume.

If you want to debate this matter, start a thread. I'll be happy to tear apart any sorry argument you can come up with.

[JAB5239]

"Duran

damn wink you just knocked kid mccoy the f.u.c.k out

saved me the trouble of having to respond to his flame post. you can tell he doesn't know his history. he is just saying what he heard someonelse say.

Lol, what a cheerleader you are from the sidelines! Unfortunetly for you, Kid McCoy is one of the most knowledgable posters on these boards when it comes to boxing history. You on the other hand.....well we all know what your opinion is worth.

[MaYaN_SuN]

1. leonard- was 1-2 qon a close split decision in the first fight quit in embarrassing fashion in the rematch

lol Whats more embarrassing?

Gettin the **** kicked outta you in a real brawl? lol Or gettin a guy to quit just cause you run all night and play tag? Which blatantly shows your scared to **** with a guy.

Granted both men deserve respect for gettin in the ring, obviously...Im just sayin is all lol

[Brandish]

If you want to debate this matter, start a thread. I'll be happy to tear apart any sorry argument you can come up with.

you can't even debate me in this thread why start another you haven't put forth one valid reason why duran should be rated top 5 or even top ten atg based on his resume and achievements...you bring up roy and calzaghe and any other straw man argument you can use to avoid the truth.

duran is not a top 5 or even top ten atg..and if you keep hurling personal insults at me I will put you on my ignore list. let's keep the debate civil shall we

[Brandish]

lol Whats more embarrassing?

Gettin the **** kicked outta you in a real brawl? lol Or gettin a guy to quit just cause you run all night and play tag? Which blatantly shows your scared to **** with a guy.

Granted both men deserve respect for gettin in the ring, obviously...Im just sayin is all lol

another goddamn ****** have you even watched the fight

how come duran couldn't hit ray leonard in the second fight.

[MaYaN_SuN]

another goddamn ****** have you even watched the fight

how come duran couldn't hit ray leonard in the second fight.

lol Why you think? And you can't throw the word ****** around. You tag a guy and run, what kinda **** is that? It's boxing, but its lame. Mayweather did the same **** to Castillo in the second fight. Im just sayin, if anyone should be embarrassed, lol it's not Roberto. He already went toe to toe with Leonard and Leonard couldn't take it...

[JAB5239]

you can't even debate me in this thread why start another you haven't put forth one valid reason why duran should be rated top 5 or even top ten atg based on his resume and achievements...you bring up roy and calzaghe and any other straw man argument you can use to avoid the truth.

duran is not a top 5 or even top ten atg..and if you keep hurling personal insults at me I will put you on my ignore list. let's keep the debate civil shall we

Lol, you're threatening me with the ignore list? Thats scary. But ok, lets keep it civil. Only you and a select few see my reasons as not being valid. But the simple fact is, Duran is a top 10 all time great to most boxing historians who opinions and knowledge far surpass yours or my own. Men who have put in years and years of research. How on Gods green earth can you think you have won this little debate when not only have the majority spoken, but those in the know?

[JAB5239]

another goddamn ****** have you even watched the fight

You talk about me insulting you, but it seems you are quick to insult others who dont agree with you.

how come duran couldn't hit ray leonard in the second fight.

68-66, 68-66, 67-66. Seems to me Duran was holding his own before calling it a day. No?