Duran is not a top ten ATG

[Kid McCoy]

please list these peers e miracoulsy ducked. and as far as leoanrd went he demonstrated a much higher skill set then duran hence the 5-1 mark against the greatest fighters of his era and duran's 1-5 mark. only an idiot would try and make duran seem better when it's clear as day he wasn't

Floyd's solely a WBC titlist in a four belt era. He's never unified or cleaned out a single division. For whatever reason, he ain't been fighting the other titlists. Why is that? Managed to miss Spadafora at 130, Casamayor at 130/135 and Tszyu at 140, yet fitted in life-and-death battles against Juuko, N'Dou, Bruseles & co. Turned down a shot against undisputed welterweight champ Zab Judah in favour of facing poor Gatti. Turned down a career high payday to face Margarito in favour of a superfight against Mitchell. No Williams, no Cotto. His biggest win is against a 34 y/o De La Hoya, seven years removed from his first loss to Mosely. Like I said earlier he isn't even one of the 50 greatest fighters of all time.

As for everything else you said, I really can't be bothered arguing with someone who thinks Floyd is one of the ten greatest fighters of all time.

[Tony Jones]

since he is your fav where would you rank him all time

I said ONE of my favs lol and all time? well im not great at this sort of thing but i would have him in my top 10 for sure. But then that would be MY top 10 after all haha He'd b up there with SRR, SRL, Armstrong, Ali, Whitaker, Foreman, RJJ (based on talent alone), Hearns and Pryor (just love his style and aggression). Thats my favourites, not P4P best by the way.

[Brandish]

I said ONE of my favs lol and all time? well im not great at this sort of thing but i would have him in my top 10 for sure. But then that would be MY top 10 after all haha He'd b up there with SRR, SRL, Armstrong, Ali, Whitaker, Foreman, RJJ (based on talent alone), Hearns and Pryor (just love his style and aggression). Thats my favourites, not P4P best by the way

it's all good I am extremely biased towards aaron I want to place him top 10 all-time but I can't based on accomplsihments but he and tommy are definitely in my top 25. I could see duran top 20 in retrospect but def not top 5 as some of these other guys are running around saying.

[Brandish]

Floyd's solely a WBC titlist in a four belt era. He's never unified or cleaned out a single division.

he cleaned out 130 and 135 where have you been he was the recognized ring/lineal champ at both weights

For whatever reason, he ain't been fighting the other titlists. Why is that? Managed to miss Spadafora at 130, Casamayor at 130/135 and Tszyu at 140, yet fitted in life-and-death battles against Juuko, N'Dou, Bruseles & co. Turned down a shot against undisputed welterweight champ Zab Judah in favour of facing poor Gatti. Turned down a career high payday to face Margarito in favour of a superfight against Mitchell. No Williams, no Cotto. His biggest win is against a 34 y/o De La Hoya, seven years removed from his first loss to Mosely. Like I said earlier he isn't even one of the 50 greatest fighters of all time.

duran ducked aaron pryor at 140, never faced arguello at 135, ducked hearns at 147, got destroyed by kirkland laing, koed by tommy hearns in 2 at 154, quit in the rematch against ray leaonard, got schooled by wilfred benitez, got schooled again by marvin hagler, went on a bum of the month club and got stopped by pat lawlor.

fought a faded barkley, no nunn, no toney, no jones, no mcclellan, no eubanks, no benn, his biggest win is over a green ray leoanrd who made him quit in the rematch. went 15-7 in championship fights only 12 title defenses would be lucky to make it in my top 30.

floyd mayweather 18-0 in championship fights 13 title defenses over 5 weight classes, youngest fighter to ever win 5 titles in 5 weigth divisons while remaining undefeated. bested 4 future hofers garnered 3 ring/lineal titles in the process. can roberto duran say the same floyd easily outranks duran and he did it by the age of 30, it took duran how long to win four titles


As for everything else you said, I really can't be bothered arguing with someone who thinks duran is one of the ten greatest fighters of all time.

[Kid McCoy]

he cleaned out 130 and 135 where have you been he was the recognized ring/lineal champ at both weights

Cleaned them out by only holding 25% of the titles in each division?

duran ducked aaron pryor at 140, never faced arguello at 135, ducked hearns at 147, got destroyed by kirkland laing, koed by tommy hearns in 2 at 154, quit in the rematch against ray leaonard, got schooled by wilfred benitez, got schooled again by marvin hagler, went on a bum of the month club and got stopped by pat lawlor.

fought a faded barkley, no nunn, no toney, no jones, no mcclellan, no eubanks, no benn, his biggest win is over a green ray leoanrd who made him quit in the rematch. went 15-7 in championship fights only 12 title defenses would be lucky to make it in my top 30.

Barkley was coming off his finest ever win before he faced Duran, a brutal KO of Hearns.

Duran vacated the lightweight title to move up to welter at the end of 1978, at which point Pryor was a 14-0 novice, not winning the 140lb title til 1980, when Duran was facing Leonard at 147.

Is that the best you can come up with? Duran was in his 40s when those guys were around, so it really is barrel scraping to be hammering him for "ducking" them. Floyd has failed to meet many of his best peers in his prime years. Most of Duran's losses in those title fights were against bigger, younger and prime Hall of Famers. If Floyd turns down a career high payday to meet Margarito, and calls out Winky and then runs and hides when Winky offers him a fight, there isn't much chance of him stepping in the ring with a Leonard, Hagler, Hearns or Barkley.

floyd mayweather 18-0 in championship fights 13 title defenses over 5 weight classes, youngest fighter to ever win 5 titles in 5 weigth divisons while remaining undefeated. bested 4 future hofers garnered 3 ring/lineal titles in the process. can roberto duran say the same floyd easily outranks duran and he did it by the age of 30, it took duran how long to win four titles

More accurately, 5 WBC belts against cherry picked opposition, including "championship fights" with Juuko, Gerena, Gatti, Manfredy, Baldomir, Sosa, Augustus, Hernandez... These guys would have been tune-up fights for tune-up fights in Duran's day!

As for everything else you said, I really can't be bothered arguing with someone who thinks duran is one of the ten greatest fighters of all time.

Difference is, I have consensus on my side. The IBRO has Duran #2 at lightweight and #7 p4p. Floyd doesn't chart in any category. Plenty of other credible authorities rank Duran similarly. Not one credible boxing authority has PBF so high.

[KingTito]

Duran was pretty much unbeatable at LW, and moved up to have some impressive wins like against Leonard and Barkley. He deserves to be 10. I'd say he should be top 5.

[Brandish]

Cleaned them out by only holding 25% of the titles in each division?

who was better then floyd at 130-135 when he fought there

Barkley was coming off his finest ever win before he faced Duran, a brutal KO of Hearns.

the same barkely that got starched by james toney. why didn't duran defend the 160 title he won off barkely agianst:

1. toney
2. nunn
3. mccallum
4. Roy jones
5. Bernard hopkins
6 Gerald Mcclellan

all are better then barkley but duran was MIA for some reason he had time to fight the pat lawlors, jorge castro's and vinnie pazienza's but not the real champs at 160..duran is a ducking machine

Duran vacated the lightweight title to move up to welter at the end of 1978, at which point Pryor was a 14-0 novice, not winning the 140lb title til 1980, when Duran was facing Leonard at 147.

davey moore was 12-0 when duran fought him are you saying davey moore was a more dangerous threat then aaron pryor once agina duran ducked a prime dangerous threat in pryor to face the kirkland laings of the world

Is that the best you can come up with? Duran was in his 40s when those guys were around, so it really is barrel scraping to be hammering him for "ducking" them.

duran was not in his 40's as you say. he was 38 when he won a 160 title from barkley in 1989. if he was as great as you say he was he should of puilled a b-hop and faced the young lions at 160. he beat barkley vacates and then 7 years later gets koed in three rounds by joppy:boobies:

duran's record at 160:

Marvin Hagler 57-2-2 UD Loss

Manuel Zambrano 1-3 ko-2

Jorge Suero 0-0 ko-2

Robbie Sims 26-4 lost SD

Victor Claudio 10-4 won UD

Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra 27-3-2 won UD

Ricky Stackhouse 18-5-1 won UD
Paul Thorne 9-1-1 won RTD 6th
Jeff Lanas 16-3 won SD

Iran Barkley 25-4 won SD

Ray Leonard 35-1-1 Lost UD

Pat Lawlor 14-1 lost TKO 6th

Tony Biglen 12-4 won UD

Ken Hulsey 14-7 won KO 2

Hector Camacho 58-3-1 Lost UD

William Joppy 25-1-1 Lost TKO 3

who the heck are these guys, you would never see a roy or bhop fighting trash fighters like this

he was 11-5 and 1-4 in championship fights at 160

he fought during the time mcclellan, benn, toney, nunn, and roy jones jr. I didn't hear a peep from duran during that time period but he fought for another ten years after he beat barkely

Floyd has failed to meet many of his best peers in his prime years.

I listed plenty of duran's peers at 160 and 154 he ducked convinently

why can't you list the fighters floyd ducked.. it's hard to list guys that floyd would be favoerd against.

Most of Duran's losses in those title fights were against bigger, younger and prime Hall of Famers. If Floyd turns down a career high payday to meet Margarito, and calls out Winky and then runs and hides when Winky offers him a fight, there isn't much chance of him stepping in the ring with a Leonard, Hagler, Hearns or Barkley.

kelly pavlik was bigger and younger then b-hop yet b-hop found a way to dominate the younger fighter that's what legends do not cry and make excuses. duran lost to kirkland laing and pat lawlor, william joppy as well you cll that a legend. floyd would never lose to sucj bum fighters

More accurately, 5 WBC belts against cherry picked opposition, including "championship fights" with Juuko, Gerena, Gatti, Manfredy, Baldomir, Sosa, Augustus, Hernandez... These guys would have been tune-up fights for tune-up fights in Duran's day!

all of the fighters you listed above had better records then 85% of duran's opposition..we all know floyd fought and beat better comp then duran

Difference is, I have consensus on my side. The IBRO has Duran #2 at lightweight and #7 p4p. Floyd doesn't chart in any category. Plenty of other credible authorities rank Duran similarly. Not one credible boxing authority has PBF so high.

consensus isn't fact as I and others have proven. your consensus is built on a house of sand. when it's all said and done duran didn't accomplish what floyd did and was ovverated by fanboys such as yourself

[Brandish]

Duran was pretty much unbeatable at LW, and moved up to have some impressive wins like against Leonard and Barkley. He deserves to be 10. I'd say he should be top 5.

tell that to esteban de jesus

[TheGreatA]

the same barkely that got starched by james toney. why didn't duran defend the 160 title he won off barkely agianst:

1. toney
2. nunn
3. mccallum
4. Roy jones
5. Bernard hopkins
6 Gerald Mcclellan

None of those fighters except Nunn were around at the time.

[Brandish]

None of those fighters except Nunn were around at the time.

not true, benn mcclellan, eubanks, toney, and roy were fighting at 160 from 1990-1994. duran was still active fighting tomamto cans but not once did he attempt to face michael nunn. who was considered p4p#1 at the time