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  • FasTHarD
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    #31
    Originally posted by Benny Leonard
    Yeah, but it can be a bit unfair since Floyd didn't milk that division. Those fighters aren't better than Floyd was a lightweight.

    I'm not even sure any of them get by a Prime Diego before he fought Floyd.

    That win alone might be proof enough for leverage of legacy.

    Manny has also been knocked out twice, lost to a faded Morales, and has a SD and a D against JMM.
    Pacquiao is fighting the best out there... While Mayweather in the future remembered as "THE BEST WANNABE" ducking his competition..... Majority of this board had no comment on pacman ducking anyone.. But if you ask them how Mayweather ducks his comp. oh lol they would be a million of questions to answer... So sad for a fanboy

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    • Left Hook Tua
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      #32
      Originally posted by BennyST
      Yes, and could Pac have beaten a prime, massive lightweight Castillo, SFW Corrales, Hernandez, etc etc? I doubt it, but we'll never know.

      Can you imagine Pac facing Corrales at SFW? A prime Corrales? Just think of the size difference between Pac and Oscar. That was pretty evident right? Now imagine Pac as he was at 130 when he was fighting Marquez, Morales, Barrera. Now imagine him facing a massive power puncher that is the same size as Oscar was, who has a strong jab along with a brutal left hook and really nasty, short right. Honestly, I don't see it getting near the end 'cause that's how big Corrales is. He is the same size as Oscar with a seventy " reach!

      At the SFW he also beat Hernandez. A great fighter who had only lost to Oscar when he was fighting down at his low eights years earlier. Could Pac have beaten Hernandez? Considering he took out fighters such as the other Hernandez, Azumah Nelson, Jorge Paez, Gerena, and a large host of others, there are some pretty similar aggressive fighters there that would be like fighting Pac.

      Hard to say when comparing their weight divisions. I would have personally preferred to go up against the smaller guys like Marquez, Barrera and morales who had started at much lower weights many years earlier and were finishing up their careers at weights where they were no longer as effective as they had been instead of facing some freakishly huge prime, undefeated guys still in their best natural weights at the to of their game that were also twice the size of me.

      But hey, that's just me.
      again......i'm just looking at resume.

      i don't care about who would beat who head to head.

      if you look at floyd resume and think it's better then vote floyd. and vice versa.

      it's not a head to head fight poll. how they would do against each other's opponents is not relevant. greatness is resume based not potential , skill , hypothetical based.

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        #33
        Originally posted by BennyST
        Yes, and could Pac have beaten a prime, massive lightweight Castillo, SFW Corrales, Hernandez, etc etc? I doubt it, but we'll never know.

        Can you imagine Pac facing Corrales at SFW? A prime Corrales? Just think of the size difference between Pac and Oscar. That was pretty evident right? Now imagine Pac as he was at 130 when he was fighting Marquez, Morales, Barrera. Now imagine him facing a massive power puncher that is the same size as Oscar was, who has a strong jab along with a brutal left hook and really nasty, short right. Honestly, I don't see it getting near the end 'cause that's how big Corrales is. He is the same size as Oscar with a seventy " reach!

        At the SFW he also beat Hernandez. A great fighter who had only lost to Oscar when he was fighting down at his low eights years earlier. Could Pac have beaten Hernandez? Considering he took out fighters such as the other Hernandez, Azumah Nelson, Jorge Paez, Gerena, and a large host of others, there are some pretty similar aggressive fighters there that would be like fighting Pac.

        Hard to say when comparing their weight divisions. I would have personally preferred to go up against the smaller guys like Marquez, Barrera and morales who had started at much lower weights many years earlier and were finishing up their careers at weights where they were no longer as effective as they had been instead of facing some freakishly huge prime, undefeated guys still in their best natural weights at the to of their game that were also twice the size of me.

        But hey, that's just me.
        Castillo, Corrales and Hernandez vs Todays pacquiao? It would be all by KO/TKO...

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          #34
          Originally posted by pacman777
          i wouldn't be so sure of mayweather beating the caliber of jmm, erik and mab. on the other hand, these 3 legends beats prime corrales imho. i just dont see this guy beating pacquiao. i still think he's a good boxer thou, but doesn't box well with out-fighters
          C'mon man, those guys ended up at the division where Chico started basically. Can you imagine the Morales that Pac fought facing a prime, power-punching (much harder punching than Pac) guy that was as big as a big WW?

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            #35
            Originally posted by FasTHarD
            Castillo, Corrales and Hernandez vs Todays pacquiao? It would be all by KO/TKO...



            ....errrrr, ok. I think you may have just reached the top of the douchebag, insane, blind fan-boy list along with Sonic Flood, Xcaret etc etc.

            Where do these people come from?


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            • MakeDamnSure
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              #36
              Originally posted by BennyST
              C'mon man, those guys ended up at the division where Chico started basically. Can you imagine the Morales that Pac fought facing a prime, power-punching (much harder punching than Pac) guy that was as big as a big WW?
              You forgot Pacquiao was a 1-2 1-2 when he fought Morales.. The Pacquiao right now would beat Morales easy.. I'll pick the Pacquiao version right now over any Morales, Barrera and JMM.

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                #37
                Originally posted by BennyST
                C'mon man, those guys ended up at the division where Chico started basically. Can you imagine the Morales that Pac fought facing a prime, power-punching (much harder punching than Pac) guy that was as big as a big WW?

                im reffering to their caliber

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by BennyST
                  C'mon man, those guys ended up at the division where Chico started basically. Can you imagine the Morales that Pac fought facing a prime, power-punching (much harder punching than Pac) guy that was as big as a big WW?
                  We all know Chico is a power-punching fighter.. But if you insist that he could beat Barrera, Morales and Marquez... I will say a BIG NO WAY..... Too much skills Chico to deal with those three...

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                  • Benny Leonard
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by BennyST
                    Yes, and could Pac have beaten a prime, massive lightweight Castillo, SFW Corrales, Hernandez, etc etc? I doubt it, but we'll never know.

                    Can you imagine Pac facing Corrales at SFW? A prime Corrales? Just think of the size difference between Pac and Oscar. That was pretty evident right? Now imagine Pac as he was at 130 when he was fighting Marquez, Morales, Barrera. Now imagine him facing a massive power puncher that is the same size as Oscar was, who has a strong jab along with a brutal left hook and really nasty, short right. Honestly, I don't see it getting near the end 'cause that's how big Corrales is. He is the same size as Oscar with a seventy " reach!

                    At the SFW he also beat Hernandez. A great fighter who had only lost to Oscar when he was fighting down at his low eights years earlier. Could Pac have beaten Hernandez? Considering he took out fighters such as the other Hernandez, Azumah Nelson, Jorge Paez, Gerena, and a large host of others, there are some pretty similar aggressive fighters there that would be like fighting Pac.

                    Hard to say when comparing their weight divisions. I would have personally preferred to go up against the smaller guys like Marquez, Barrera and morales who had started at much lower weights many years earlier and were finishing up their careers at weights where they were no longer as effective as they had been instead of facing some freakishly huge prime, undefeated guys still in their best natural weights at the to of their game that were also twice the size of me.

                    But hey, that's just me.

                    Nonetheless, that is all rather irrelevant as neither guy faced them, but, having faced some of the best fighters of that weight division while they were young, prime champs themselves who would move up to higher divisions and still win, is better than beating old champs at the end of their careers at weights they are not as effective at. It's a difficult choice but at the points of their careers that they were at Chico (dominating TKO), Castillo (controversial win and then wide UD), and Hernandez (dominating TKO) or Hatton (dominating TKO) beats Barrera (dominating TKO, UD), shot Morales (a loss there for Pac) and Marquez (controversial draw and controversial SD win).

                    I think people are starting to forget how good Diego was.

                    Even after he was battered by Floyd, which I wasn't certain he would come back from that; he did. He went on to stop undefeated hard hitting Acelino Freitas; and Diego took his heart. Acelino showed a big heart in his victory over Barrios, but when he had Chico beat the crap out of him, that was the end of Freitas...although Acelino did go on to beat Zahir Raheem, but Zahir wasn't a hard puncher. Good boxer though; schooled a faded Morales right before Pac got to him last.

                    He also had some tough fights with Castillo and Joel Casamayor.

                    Diego's style was going to force him to retire early, but damn, what a style and what a fighter.

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                    • BennyST
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by MakeDamnSure
                      Did Floyd lost to Castillo, beat a weight drained Corrales, beat faded Gatti and handpicked 10 losses Baldomir? And a shot Oscar.
                      God damn it man, you are really amazing. I thought I had seen the worst with guys like Sonic Flood but you're just as bad.

                      So, with what you're saying, you could also say that Pac lost to Marquez, beat a weight drained Morales, a faded Larios, a handpicked 10 losses Velasquez and a even more shot, even worse weight drained Oscar.

                      That as bad as above, probably even worse, but you see how it swings both ways and you can twist it all to however you want to see it? No, of course you don't. You can't, that's why you post what you do.

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