Freddie Roach Talks About DLH-Pacquiao

[Benny Leonard]

what i understand?

that you want floyd to win this fight and you think he might lose at 140.

me? i think floyd beats manny at 147 AND 140 but 140 is where manny has the best chance.

like i said before , FOR ME? , 140 or nothing.

pac's legacy is clear. he's good financially as well.

if floyd can't fight at 140......i say fuck him...... fight hatton and marquez and call it a career.

what a great career it has been as well. much greater than floyd's.

if floyd wants to come back and ONLY FIGHT AT 147......then he should fight legitimate 147 fighters.

cotto and marg are still around.....

No, what I want, unlike you and Freddie, is a HEALTHY FIGHTER fighting another HEALTHY FIGHTER.

This last fight between Oscar and Pac just gave a black-eye to the sport because it had people shelling out $55 for one Healthy fighter and One Corpse.

People I know that bought the fight were pissed off at how Oscar looked from the opening bell. But, like Oscar, it's their fault for not taking warning with history...and what Freddie was saying all along. The weight was going to hurt Oscar.


I'm glad I didn't pay for the Oscar vs. Pac fight because if I wanted to see someone beat up a corpse, I could have ****ed your mother...kidding.


How many times has Floyd been KFTO? How many losses does Floyd have?
How many times has Floyd lost to a past prime fighter?

Now think of Pac.


My friend was reading my post the other day and cracked up. Why? Because he knows I can't stand Floyd's act and haven't liked watching him fight since he was at 140. And he knows when Pac fights I'm usually glued to my TV...except this past fight.
But, I have to defend him on this matter because I defend what I think is right.

I never defended him at 147-154 because I felt he avoided the tougher opponents. I can reason it, but still felt he should have fought the tougher opponents.

but on this case; it's different.

I have to think as a boxing fan.

[Left Hook Tua]

No, what I want, unlike you and Freddie, is a HEALTHY FIGHTER fighting another HEALTHY FIGHTER.

This last fight between Oscar and Pac just gave a black-eye to the sport because it had people shelling out $55 for one Healthy fighter and One Corpse.

People I know that bought the fight were pissed off at how Oscar looked from the opening bell. But, like Oscar, it's their fault for not taking warning with history...and what Freddie was saying all along. The weight was going to hurt Oscar.


I'm glad I didn't pay for the Oscar vs. Pac fight because if I wanted to see someone beat up a corpse, I could have ****ed your mother...kidding.


How many times has Floyd been KFTO? How many losses does Floyd have?
How many times has Floyd lost to a past prime fighter?

Now think of Pac.


My friend was reading my post the other day and cracked up. Why? Because he knows I can't stand Floyd's act and haven't liked watching him fight since he was at 140. And he knows when Pac fights I'm usually glued to my TV...except this past fight.
But, I have to defend him on this matter because I defend what I think is right.

I never defended him at 147-154 because I felt he avoided the tougher opponents. I can reason it, but still felt he should have fought the tougher opponents.

but on this case; it's different.

I have to think as a boxing fan.

since you care about fighters health so much...... i think it's not healthy for a natural featherweight to fight at welterweight.

i say pacquiao does his own thing and mayweather can stay retired.

[Miburo]

General comments regarding this video:

Roach was dead on in just about all his statements relating to weight control. The only thing I disagree with relates to his statements about the worthlessness of maintaining oneself at a weight - certainly for an older fighter in the short term this will likely lead to disaster, but if one perpetually maintains weight in the long term (Hopkins, Hagler, Mayweather) I believe it is more beneficial than the normal method of cutting.

While one cannot take anything away from Roach for his analysis and preparation for the fight, I am still convinced that the primary motivation behind provoking the bout from his standpoint had somewhat less to do with confidence in winning than:
A. A personal vendetta against DLH, leading him to put his best work (Pacquaio) on the line as the instrument to come out victor
B. To recover his image in the face of fairly lackluster record/outright blunders relating to fighters not named Pacquiao (DLH, Hopkins, and especially Vasquez)
C. Propel himself and his fighter into the limelight by partcipating in such a large bout, win or lose, as long as Pacquiao put on a good performance.

This does not mean that he didn't have confidence in coming out victor, but a large number of his pre-fight comments went beyond simple bluster and were occasionally little more than ad hominem attacks on DLH than anything else (some justified, others a bit more questionable). Note that I'm not necessarily criticizing him for this as what analysis one was able to do pre-fight he clearly managed perfectly - motivations hardly matter in the aftermath.

As a trainer, Roach seems best fitted to fighters freshly beginning their careers rather than veterans. The veterans he has dealt with coming off of previous success and other trainers have fairly universally fared poorly under Roach's handling. It will be interesting to see if this hypothesis continues to be bourne out through the rest of his training career.

[Benny Leonard]

since you care about fighters health so much...... i think it's not healthy for a natural featherweight to fight at welterweight.

i say pacquiao does his own thing and mayweather can stay retired.

Considering Pac weighs 147 pounds and can't fight in anything lower than 140; so much for your "natural" featherweight theory.

Freddie said Pac is at his prime now; he is fully matured and thickened.

25-29 tends to be the peak fill out years for Men or as boxer's say: "Their Man Stage." This is when fighters thicken physically and get stronger reaching their full potential.

Is it safe for Floyd who was a lightweight and walks around at 150, which is 2 pounds lighter than Pac's walk around weight, to be fighting at Welterweight?

[Pullcounter]

great interview and great analysis from roach.

according to roach, pac would've beat dlh regardless of dlh's **** up w/ his rehydration.
1) dlh struggles against southpaws
2) dlh struggles against against speed
3) dlh doesn't know how to cut off the ring

those are just some of the reasons I remember from the vid...

I can't believe how confident roach is about pac beating floyd.

I believe that roach said that they'd fight floyd at a catchweight in some other interview... I believe floyd can still make 140 and be effective... a catchweight should be fine.

[Pullcounter]

Considering Pac weighs 147 pounds and can't fight in anything lower than 140; so much for your "natural" featherweight theory.

Freddie said Pac is at his prime now; he is fully matured and thickened.

25-29 tends to be the peak fill out years for Men or as boxer's say: "Their Man Stage." This is when fighters thicken physically and get stronger reaching their full potential.

Is it safe for Floyd who was a lightweight and walks around at 150, which is 2 pounds lighter than Pac's walk around weight, to be fighting at Welterweight?

the fight will be at a catchweight or its not happening.... take it or leave it

[Benny Leonard]

the fight will be at a catchweight or its not happening.... take it or leave it

Roach wants a catch-weight?
Yeah, Roach is real confident

Catch-weight?

Even though Pac just fought Oscar at 147?

Even though both fighters weigh 149 by fight time.

You have no logic.


Floyd has all the leverage and he can show it if he wants. All he has to do is say to the public: If Pac wants to fight me, I'll fight him at the same weight he met Oscar at...147. And explain the reasoning I mentioned. If not, you lose for backing down.

Who do you think the Fans will be pissed at?

[Kris Silver]

Great guy and trainer Roach. One of my favourite guys in boxing actually, straight up has a pure passion for the sport, and cares for the fighters. He puts everything into that gym even in his declining condition which is painful to see. But recent events and this video proves his insights and boxing intelligence are very impressive indeed. He's right on about ODL and weight.

I like the fact he says ODL's team took it too seriously ignoring him on the track, and then he was decent enough to speak with him in a nice way. Shame ODL left him really, and has been surrounded by people and himself, just training and dieting all wrong, losing yet another big fight. Roach got the last laugh. I hope he can do the same with Khan now, although he's not superman.

[Left Hook Tua]

Roach wants a catch-weight?
Yeah, Roach is real confident

Catch-weight?

Even though Pac just fought Oscar at 147?

Even though both fighters weigh 149 by fight time.

You have no logic.


Floyd has all the leverage and he can show it if he wants. All he has to do is say to the public: If Pac wants to fight me, I'll fight him at the same weight he met Oscar at...147. And explain the reasoning I mentioned. If not, you lose for backing down.

Who do you think the Fans will be pissed at?

the fans will be pissed at the guy who can still make 140 and who won't fight any top 147 guy but yet won't fight the 135 guy at 140 and make him fight at 147 instead.

[Left Hook Tua]

Hi my name is Floyd Mayweather Jr.

I've never fought a real top welterweight even though I was the welterweight champion.

I even retired before fighting a real top welterweight.

It's okay though since I'm not really a welterweight.

That said I will only fight that featherweight who is fighting at lightweight at welterweight.

That 135 guy who is a former 112 champion should fight me at 147 even though I can make 140.