Freddie Roach Talks About DLH-Pacquiao

[MOREBASS]

No, what I want, unlike you and Freddie, is a HEALTHY FIGHTER fighting another HEALTHY FIGHTER.

This last fight between Oscar and Pac just gave a black-eye to the sport because it had people shelling out $55 for one Healthy fighter and One Corpse.

People I know that bought the fight were pissed off at how Oscar looked from the opening bell. But, like Oscar, it's their fault for not taking warning with history...and what Freddie was saying all along. The weight was going to hurt Oscar.


I'm glad I didn't pay for the Oscar vs. Pac fight because if I wanted to see someone beat up a corpse, I could have ****ed your mother...kidding.


I have to think as a boxing fan.

Its easy to say all of this in hindsight. But go ahead a scroll back through the posts on this very board before the fight, and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had the same outlook as the one you do in this post.

And this 'black eye' to the sport you speak of initially was thought to be because of disparity in size of the two fighters.

Now that we've all seen the outcome, its now all of a sudden about Oscar's condition in the fight, and all of the victim statements that go along with that.


Please.

Boxing handicappers, who in my opinion, are the most knowledgable people in the sport, all had Oscar winning this fight by stoppage before the 9th round. Don't believe me, all you had to do was look at the odds.

[BraystreetLad]

Pacquiaoko8DeLaHoya banter.

Roach said he knew that Pacquiao's speed would overpower DeLaHoya(Pacqui-
ao landed 39% of his shots to DeLaHoya's 20.6% of his),but the fact that Oscar
was thoroughly thrashed by a man who weighed 106 for his debut proves that
"The Golden Boy"(Golden Geezer?)is shot and should retire before he suffers the same fate as a fighter-the greatest heavyweight in history-whose last bout
was Dec. 11,1981,and resulted in a lop-sided 10-round decision loss to a figh-
ter whom this immortal would have dispatched in two rounds in his prime.(had
he deigned to fight him,that is;this icon had sparring partners who could have mopped the floor with his final conqueror.)

[DiegoFuego]

haha he said Pacquiao only watches about 2 minutes of footage and gets bored, talk about ADD

[Chups]

haha he said Pacquiao only watches about 2 minutes of footage and gets bored, talk about ADD

A revelation indeed. Mayweather doesn't watch opponent fights either, they have similarities.

[NoFear24]

Bring on Mayweather while Pac is still in his prime. He keeps getting tough fight after tough fight, and his body is not going to hold up for long. Floyd will probably wait until after Pac fights Hatton to come out of retirement so that Pac could possibly be soften up a little more. Hes at his peak at 30 and Floyd really need to take this fight in May or June while Pac is in his prime and so they both are healthy fighters. Don't care what weight its at as long as the fight gets done.

Lot of you guys think that this is an easy fight for Floyd, but Im telling you right now, the Floyd that fought Oscar will either be beat by UD or TKO. Floyd does not move as fast as he once used to. He stop using his feet alot more. He won't do what he did to Judah because Judah is mentally weak. Floyd coming straight foward against Pac and trying to walk him down like he did against Judah will be Floyds undoing do to being stationary and Pac will pic him apart if he stands in front with his hands up trying to walk Pac down.

Pac has the speed to match or even surpass Floyd. Floyd doesn't throw alot of combinations anymore and is more of a Pot shotter like Jones turned into when he got older as well. If Floyd stays on the ropes like he did with Oscar, Pac will score lots of points do to the fact that Oscar was throwing wide punches and not enough straight punches which Floyd waited for Oscar to throw that fake right hand he used to set up his left hook which is when Floyd threw the straight right. Pac will mix it up with faints and a variety of punches that combine with Pacs speed will throw Floyd off.

Floyd will have to adjust, but theres only so much he can adjust to. Before Pac beats him it doesn't matter how he wins as long as he wins.

[Benny Leonard]

Its easy to say all of this in hindsight. But go ahead a scroll back through the posts on this very board before the fight, and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had the same outlook as the one you do in this post.

And this 'black eye' to the sport you speak of initially was thought to be because of disparity in size of the two fighters.

Now that we've all seen the outcome, its now all of a sudden about Oscar's condition in the fight, and all of the victim statements that go along with that.


Please.

Boxing handicappers, who in my opinion, are the most knowledgable people in the sport, all had Oscar winning this fight by stoppage before the 9th round. Don't believe me, all you had to do was look at the odds.

I know what people were saying. I, as well as a few others (at least) thought it was a good fight for several reasons...and we explained the weight issue was nothing since fighters in the past had fought much bigger men.

"Boxing handicappers": not sure who they are...explain.

Personally, I listen to my own instincts first before listening to someone else. I took Freddie's views into consideration as well as History...which is what Freddie did as well and he laid it out after the fight.

I always try to think from a betters perspective....Like Bobby D. in the Casino. What did he know that the others didn't? He knew everything and wanted to know everything. Every little thing matters.

I didn't get how people could dismiss Freddie. The Man had inside information. What happens in the stock market when you have inside information?

[Benny Leonard]

the fans will be pissed at the guy who can still make 140 and who won't fight any top 147 guy but yet won't fight the 135 guy at 140 and make him fight at 147 instead.

No they won't. Not the fans that have an I.Q. over 100.

If Floyd says what I said, which is basically: “Listen, I’m in my 30’s now; I’ve been inactive for almost 2 years; I haven’t fought in at 140 in 3, 4 years? I haven't had to make weight in such a long time because unlike many other fighters, I actually fight in the weight division my weight is on fight night. I feel it is unhealthy for a fighter to dehydrate himself for a fight. I saw that Pac weighed in at 147 for 135 pound fight and weighed 149 pounds in his last fight with Oscar. If he can fight Oscar at 147, and he weighs the same amount as me, why not make this fight happen...at 147? I'm looking forward to fighting Pac at 147 where we can skip the charade of having to be unhealthy people for a day for a weigh-in that makes no sense. We are not going to be 140 pound fighters on fight-night...so why LIE to the people. We are Welterweights...we are 147+ pound fighters when we fight. This is a fight between Pac and Myself and people need to think that weigh. That's why Pac fought Oscar at 147...because it was between those two more than a "division." At this stage of my career, I feel if I had to diet down to make 140, drain myself for the weight, there is no guarantee I come in 100% for fight time. I don't want to be like Oscar. I want to give the fans what they pay for: Two Healthy fighters going at it."


If he wants to hit him low, which he shouldn't, he can always say: Listen, I don't need to fight a fighter that has lost by KO twice and lost to a past prime Morales.

[Benny Leonard]

Hi my name is Floyd Mayweather Jr.

I've never fought a real top welterweight even though I was the welterweight champion.

I even retired before fighting a real top welterweight.

It's okay though since I'm not really a welterweight.

That said I will only fight that featherweight who is fighting at lightweight at welterweight.

That 135 guy who is a former 112 champion should fight me at 147 even though I can make 140.

Pac skipped opponents.

Baldomir was top welterweight after he beat the undisputed Champion Zab Judah. Even if Baldy wasn't a top fighter like say, Williams level, he still was the MAN in the division.

And unlike Pac, who is a WELTERWEIGHT by fight time, Floyd's not fighting 135 pounders.

You are right...why bother Floyd to come out of retirement to fight a guy that was KTFO twice and lost to a prime Morales.

You are right...you made the case for Floyd to stay retired.

He will now get no credit from me in fighting Pac who has been KTFO twice and lost to a past prime Morales...as well as a having trouble against JMM.

Right Now: If Floyd does come out of retirement, he should fight Margarito. Williams is now at 154, so if he wants to fight at 154, go fight Williams.

And, I would say, since Floyd weighs in at 149, he should make Margarito fight no more than 147-149 by fight time. In fact, it should be in the contract to actually fight at the Welterweight limit of 147. All fighters must fight at 147 by fight time since it is the 147 division fight. Get on the Scales 30 minutes prior to the fight. If you don't make weight, deduct money for every pound you are over. And if the opponent doesn't except how much weight you are over, say 5 pounds is the max allowed; you just got suspended for 1 year for violating the rules.
Floyd can lose two pounds; can the others? Let's see who wins. This is a Freddie Roach style move and people need to start taking notes.

[Left Hook Tua]

Pac skipped opponents.

Baldomir was top welterweight after he beat the undisputed Champion Zab Judah. Even if Baldy wasn't a top fighter like say, Williams level, he still was the MAN in the division.

And unlike Pac, who is a WELTERWEIGHT by fight time, Floyd's not fighting 135 pounders.

You are right...why bother Floyd to come out of retirement to fight a guy that was KTFO twice and lost to a prime Morales.

You are right...you made the case for Floyd to stay retired.

He will now get no credit from me in fighting Pac who has been KTFO twice and lost to a past prime Morales...as well as a having trouble against JMM.

Right Now: If Floyd does come out of retirement, he should fight Margarito. Williams is now at 154, so if he wants to fight at 154, go fight Williams.

And, I would say, since Floyd weighs in at 149, he should make Margarito fight no more than 147-149 by fight time. In fact, it should be in the contract to actually fight at the Welterweight limit of 147. All fighters must fight at 147 by fight time since it is the 147 division fight. Get on the Scales 30 minutes prior to the fight. If you don't make weight, deduct money for every pound you are over. And if the opponent doesn't except how much weight you are over, say 5 pounds is the max allowed; you just got suspended for 1 year for violating the rules.
Floyd can lose two pounds; can the others? Let's see who wins. This is a Freddie Roach style move and people need to start taking notes.

yeah because floyd never left a division with fighters like spadafora and kostya in it......

[MOREBASS]

I know what people were saying. I, as well as a few others (at least) thought it was a good fight for several reasons...and we explained the weight issue was nothing since fighters in the past had fought much bigger men.

"Boxing handicappers": not sure who they are...explain.

Personally, I listen to my own instincts first before listening to someone else. I took Freddie's views into consideration as well as History...which is what Freddie did as well and he laid it out after the fight.

I always try to think from a betters perspective....Like Bobby D. in the Casino. What did he know that the others didn't? He knew everything and wanted to know everything. Every little thing matters.

I didn't get how people could dismiss Freddie. The Man had inside information. What happens in the stock market when you have inside information?

Boxing handicappers are the oddsmakers.


Smartest people in sports. Period.