Pacquaio's wins over Erik Morales...

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I agree with the thread starter.

[Fox McCloud]

Erik has been past it.. A prime Erik beats Manny. Even a half shot Erik beat Manny the first time.

The problem is... Manny keeps getting better and better in every fight.

A prime Morales beats the Pacquiao of 05 and 06 I think, but... now? I'm not sure at all.

[FasTHarD]

I'm watching Erik Morales get his ass kicked by Raheem right now, and I think I have changed my mind on how much credit Pacquiao should get on the second and third fights with Morales.

Clearly Morales performed horribly against Raheem, who is still, an average fighter. I think a lot of that was 135 or something, because it wasn't like Morales was doing a lot of things wrong in that fight, he just wasn't punching. His output was dismal.

The way he performed against Pacquaio in the rematch was very good, until he ran out of gas, and I am actually fairly persuaded by the Pacquiao fans who say that is because Pacquiao went to the body a lot more in the rematch than he did in the first fight. I think the version of Morales that Pacquiao beat in the rematch was past his prime, although clearly a lot less than most people on here say. People act like Morales was shot for the second fight. Untrue.

He was shot as **** for the third fight though. Whether it be too many wars or weight issues, that version of Erik Morales could not have beaten anyone. He was off balance for every shot, couldn't take a punch (which was his signature quality throughout his career) and just got completely dominated. Not much credit here will be given by most people.

People should watch Raheem/Morales and Pacquiao/Morales II again if they do just dismiss Pacquiao's rematch win as a win over a shot fighter.

Over and over again.....

[Dan...]

The problem is... Manny keeps getting better and better in every fight.

A prime Morales beats the Pacquiao of 05 and 06 I think, but... now? I'm not sure at all.

I gotta hand it to you bro you are so very rarely wrong. A prime Morales vs the current verion of Pacquiao would be so ridiculous it is tough to even imagine. It really depends on what I have last watched as to how I think that would go.

[Fox McCloud]

I gotta hand it to you bro you are so very rarely wrong. A prime Morales vs the current verion of Pacquiao would be so ridiculous it is tough to even imagine. It really depends on what I have last watched as to how I think that would go.

The Morales vs. Paulie Ayala facing the Pacquiao against David Diaz...

How in god's name do you pick a winner?

I have no idea.

[Dan...]

The Morales vs. Paulie Ayala facing the Pacquiao against David Diaz...

How in god's name do you pick a winner?

I have no idea.

Yeah, I've always just fallen back on Morales' technical superiority when asked who would get the better of a prime on prime matchup between the two but you are right, Pac is improving technically with each fight and his speed and explosiveness make up for a great deal. Incredibly tough to call as you say. If someone puts a gun to my head I am picking Morales in an incredibly close decision but with absolutely no confidence.

[FasTHarD]

The Morales vs. Paulie Ayala facing the Pacquiao against David Diaz...

How in god's name do you pick a winner?

I have no idea.

Today's pacquaio vs prime morales? Who you pick?

[Fox McCloud]

Yeah, I've always just fallen back on Morales' technical superiority when asked who would get the better of a prime on prime matchup between the two but you are right, Pac is improving technically with each fight and his speed and explosiveness make up for a great deal. Incredibly tough to call as you say. If someone puts a gun to my head I am picking Morales in an incredibly close decision but with absolutely no confidence.

Lol... the only bet I would place on that fight is that it is the over for length.

That **** is going the distance, guaranteed.

I really wish I could find a good version of the Chavez fight... I have heard that is one of his best performances, but... a las, they are all just terrible.

[Fox McCloud]

Today's pacquaio vs prime morales? Who you pick?

Lol, that is answered in the post you quoted... no idea.

Honestly? Probably Morales due to his jab...

That's hard to articulate, because usually when someone wins with a jab, it is a dominating performance, but... this would be close to the point that the jab stopping Pacquiao from throwing combinations once or twice a round would allow Morales to do more in most rounds.

Pacquiao also seems open to uppercuts IMO, and Morales had a great right uppercut.

I seriously have 0 idea though.

What do you think?

[Dan...]

Lol... the only bet I would place on that fight is that it is the over for length.

That **** is going the distance, guaranteed.

I really wish I could find a good version of the Chavez fight... I have heard that is one of his best performances, but... a las, they are all just terrible.

You can't get a good version? From memory mine is pretty good, at least I don't remember thinking it was poor.