Pacquaio's wins over Erik Morales...

[Fox McCloud]

I'm watching Erik Morales get his ass kicked by Raheem right now, and I think I have changed my mind on how much credit Pacquiao should get on the second and third fights with Morales.

Clearly Morales performed horribly against Raheem, who is still, an average fighter. I think a lot of that was 135 or something, because it wasn't like Morales was doing a lot of things wrong in that fight, he just wasn't punching. His output was dismal.

The way he performed against Pacquaio in the rematch was very good, until he ran out of gas, and I am actually fairly persuaded by the Pacquiao fans who say that is because Pacquiao went to the body a lot more in the rematch than he did in the first fight. I think the version of Morales that Pacquiao beat in the rematch was past his prime, although clearly a lot less than most people on here say. People act like Morales was shot for the second fight. Untrue.

He was shot as **** for the third fight though. Whether it be too many wars or weight issues, that version of Erik Morales could not have beaten anyone. He was off balance for every shot, couldn't take a punch (which was his signature quality throughout his career) and just got completely dominated. Not much credit here will be given by most people.

People should watch Raheem/Morales and Pacquiao/Morales II again if they do just dismiss Pacquiao's rematch win as a win over a shot fighter.

[The Noose]

I agree 100%.

I was going to make the exact same thread after watching Pac-Morales a few days ago.

In the first fight Pac was being beaten before he got cut. In the rematch Morales was winning until he had his nose broke, but Pac did look better, stronger and fought a good fight. Yet the Raheem-Morales fight is a key factor.

I think their first fight they were both close to their best, after that Pac improved slightly, but Morales clearly declined.

[MANGLER]

People who **** on Pac's win in the 1st rematch are just hatin. He was losin before he took over and KO'd EM. EM was pat it in the 3rd fight tho.

[Dynamite Kid]

i made exactly the same thread a while back and my reason behind it was the Raheem fight

[Fox McCloud]

i made exactly the same thread a while back and my reason behind it was the Raheem fight

You said that Morales was not as shot as most people thought in the Pacquiao rematch?

I'm going the opposite way of what most people say in response to the Raheem fight in relation to the Pacquiao rematch.

[Kobe Bryant]

Pac gets tons of credit for the second fight. Morales won several of the early rounds in the 2nd fight. However, Pac just kept coming and overwhelmed Morales. The 3rd fight was just plain sad. Morales was beyond done and looked very very slim.

[Dynamite Kid]

You said that Morales was not as shot as most people thought in the Pacquiao rematch?

I'm going the opposite way of what most people say in response to the Raheem fight in relation to the Pacquiao rematch.

i made a thread saying Pac gets no credit for beating Morales 2,3 as he was waay too shot

[Fox McCloud]

i made a thread saying Pac gets no credit for beating Morales 2,3 as he was waay too shot

Yeah, I'm saying the opposite.

I think he was shot in the third, and that Pacquiao shouldn't really get the credit for beating a good version of Erik Morales.

I'm saying that Morales looked bad agaisnt Raheem because of the weight or something, because it wasn't like he was making the same mistakes that he did in the third Pacquiao fight.

Mistakes against Raheem
Not punching.
Looking sluggish and being beat to the punch with Raheem's timing.

Mistakes against Pacquaio III (when he was shot)
Not being able to take a punch.
Off balance for every shot.

The mistakes in both fights were corrected in the other fight by Morales. He took a good punch against Raheem and wasn't really off balance that bad. He was punching and landing (meaning he wasn't being beaten to the punch like he was against Raheem) against Pacquiao in the third fight.

I think Pacquiao should get quite a bit of credit for winning the rematch. Specifically, I think Pacquiao fans have a point in saying that it wasn't making weight or being shot that caused Morales to wear down in Pacquaio II, it was more that Pacquiao was punishing Morales to the body.

I do still think he was past his prime by a bit (considering the fact that he didn't slow down against Barrera in their first fight, and the body punching in that fight by Barrera was absolutely savage. Tons of body shots landed flush, and they almost all made me wince because they were so viscious) against Pacquiao II, but a lot less than most people make it out to be.

[IMDAZED]

Just one of those things people overlook.

Again, more important than who is when.

Erik Morales got his ass handed to him by Zahir Raheem. I mean, it was embarassing. So why should I give Pac credit for fighting the LOSER?

I blame boxing fans who allow BS like this to go on. And then praise the fighter.

[Fox McCloud]

Is anyone actually reading my post?

Half of the replies so far have been acting like they are agreeing with my thread, but they are saying the opposite thing altogether.