Tszyu vs De La Hoya & others, how come it didn't happen?

[IMDAZED]

Respect your opinion, but I doubt that to within a reasonable degree of probability. Tszyu was not befuddled by speed. ON the contrary, he ate it up .....hence: the destruction of Zab Judah, etc....

When did I say anything about speed?

You keep sinking deeper and deeper. Or maybe you're imagining my responses.

[Dan...]

When did I say anything about speed?

You keep sinking deeper and deeper. Or maybe you're imagining my responses.

Wiley is quite good at doing that. Remember also that, statistically, Joe Calzaghe is the best fighter to ever live.

[Wiley Hyena]

LOL: you are bringing up an amateur fight against a young Forrest?
We've seen plenty of examples of how it changes when you go Pro and mature.

Yes, it's Tszyu's fault for losing to Phillips and then Hatton. He just blew two Mega-Fights; Oscar...and then...Floyd.

Yes, it was Tszyu's fault for never moving up to the hottest division during that time: 147.

He could have moved up after he gained his credibility back when he won his title back...but he didn't.


Tszyu was well respected by them all; this is true. But Tszyu should have moved up and taken those fights...at least after he won his title back...move up. His proble was that he lost to Phillips and he had to regain what he lost.

IMDAZED first brought up the Forrest fight. The rest of your post is opinion. You believe that Tszyu somehow should have chased the big money around the weight divisions in hopes of getting the big fight. I believe that nobody has the right to claim he's the greatest JrWW of the era unless he beat Kostya Tszyu.

[Wiley Hyena]

When did I say anything about speed?

You keep sinking deeper and deeper. Or maybe you're imagining my responses.

I wasn't responding to you.

[IMDAZED]

I wasn't responding to you.

So then don't respond to my post!

**Shakes head**

[xAUGUSTUSx]

Why would Oscar duck Kostya when he fought bigger stronger faster Tito who is the harder hitter

Tito was no Kostya don't ever make that mistake again.

[Wiley Hyena]

Wiley is quite good at doing that. Remember also that, statistically, Joe Calzaghe is the best fighter to ever live.

Never said that. But, I'll argue Calzaghe's case against the haters all day. Love doing it.

[IMDAZED]

Wiley is quite good at doing that. Remember also that, statistically, Joe Calzaghe is the best fighter to ever live.

LOL.

And statistically, Albert Sosnowski isn't far behind.

[Benny Leonard]

IMDAZED first brought up the Forrest fight. The rest of your post is opinion. You believe that Tszyu somehow should have chased the big money around the weight divisions in hopes of getting the big fight. I believe that nobody has the right to claim he's the greatest JrWW of the era unless he beat Kostya Tszyu.

Ah....didn't read that he brought it up.

Tszyu's probably the best 140 pounder of the era; agree. But I'm not quite sure how it all works out. He did lose to Phillips...and it would favor Tszyu because Floyd didn't fight there long...and Shane and Oscar moved past 140.


But Tszyu should have moved up to fight the bigger legacy fights. That would have shown he was on that "ELITE" level.

I also think he should have fought Phillips again.


Tszyu could have placed himself very high in history had he moved up and won.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Respect your opinion, but I doubt that to within a reasonable degree of probability. Tszyu was not befuddled by speed. ON the contrary, he ate it up .....hence: the destruction of Zab Judah, etc....

He never fought anyone as fast as Mayweather and stylistically, Floyd would be a far tougher match up for Koysta. Unlike Judah, Floyd doesn't make little mistakes like pulling straight back( which cost Zab), getting discouraged and he also doesn't have a weak chin. He had the chin to take what Koysta did dish out because he has ways of rolling his shoulders and neutralizing the effect of it, the way he did against Oscar and Boldimir. European style fighters are not really known for their left hooks( or infighting) and those are two important things that you would need to beat Mayweather. He is simply too fast for Tszyu in the middle of the ring and was the better boxer.

Another thing is that Judah was completely in control at the time of the stoppage. His hand speed and power was causing Tszyu lots of problems.