Tszyu vs De La Hoya & others, how come it didn't happen?

[Brandish]

The point is that an offer was out there to get Mayweather and Tszyu together.

no offer was ever made for tszyu to face floyd. did you forget that tszyu had a fight in november of 04 his first fight in over 2 years which was a rematch with sharmba mitchell. and two weeks after the fight we have tszyu signed to fight hatton for 5 million

Both were unsigned at the time. Tszyu expressed an interest. Mayweather signed to fight Gatti. Fact.

floyd expressed an interest as well, but zsyu never said he wanted floyd, his team said they wanted gatti for 10.5 million

I point to the article as evidence that Tszyu wanted Mayweather in the period before Tszyu signed to fight Hatton. In fact the article specifically states that Tszyu denied there being a deal to fight Hatton. Why? Because he wanted Mayweather and Gatti, and there was an offer out there to make it happen.

once again you try and hype up kosta but he was a very average fighter as showed with his ko loss to vinve phillips and ricky hatton

there was never any offer made by kosta to floyd's camp please find the article and the dollar amount offered. now what I did find in an australian newspaper before the kosta ricky fight was this:

Kostya Tszyu the reigning WBC and IBF light welterweight champion has signed up to fight English challenger Ricky Hatton at Manchester's MEN Arena on 5 June.

The fight will start at 4am local time to accommodate the Showtime Network in America that Tszyu is contracted to. The primetime fight will be broadcast in midafternoon for Australian boxing fans.

The long-term goal for 35-year-old Tszyu is a superfight with boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya. Warton said, "If the money is right it can be done. I have spoken briefly to Bob Arum about it and it is a possibility. The money might be right because it is a huge fight."

http://www.canbet.com.au/whatsnew/kostya-tszyu-v-ricky-hatton.aspx

so there you have it from kosta's team they wanted to move up and fight de la hoya after fighting ricky, they never mentioned fighting floyd after the gatti fight

[Wiley Hyena]

no offer was ever made for tszyu to face floyd. did you forget that tszyu had a fight in november of 04 his first fight in over 2 years which was a rematch with sharmba mitchell. and two weeks after the fight we have tszyu signed to fight hatton for 5 million




floyd expressed an interest as well, but zsyu never said he wanted floyd, his team said they wanted gatti for 10.5 million




once again you try and hype up kosta but he was a very average fighter as showed with his ko loss to vinve phillips and ricky hatton

there was never any offer made by kosta to floyd's camp please find the article and the dollar amount offered. now what I did find in an australian newspaper before the kosta ricky fight was this:

http://www.canbet.com.au/whatsnew/kostya-tszyu-v-ricky-hatton.aspx

so there you have it from kosta's team they wanted to move up and fight de la hoya after fighting ricky, they never mentioned fighting floyd after the gatti fight

I don't know why you continue to do this to yourself. You think time can erase the facts? I published the following article on this site last year, for people just like you.

Mayweather and the 5 Bums

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After seeing the incredible allegations of a few Mayweatherites here alleging that the great Jr. Welter Weight Champ Kostya Tszyu ran from Floyd Mayweather, Jr., I was inspired to set the record straight. My findings:

After a truly impressive campaign at 130, Floyd moved to 135 in 2002. The problem began here and it's name was Jose Luis Castillo. After losing to Castillo on everybody's card but the judges' in the first fight, Mayweather used his defensive skills to salvage his reputation in the rematch. After that scare, Mayweather then proceeded to call on the hapless Lovemore N'dou. N'dou unexpectedly proved a stiff test, but Floyd passed it. Bum number one was conquered. Who would the self proclaimed greatest fight next? We were immediately deflated. Sosa was served up like a cold fish on April 19, 2003.

Fully in stride now, Mayweather moved up to Jr. Welter (140), where hall of famer Kostya Tszyu reigned supreme. Instead of calling on Tszyu, Floyd proceeded to feed on a steady diet of bums. On May 22, 2004, it was Demarcus Corley. On January 22, 2005, it was Henry Bruseles. And, on June 25, 2005, Floyd dismantled the last of the 5 bums, the washed up warrior, Arturo Gatti. 5 bums and no Tszyu.

Tszyu fought in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. He was top ten p4p in all those years. He began that period of time as the Jr. Welter Weight unified undisputed champion (the first to do it in 30 years). During the mid portion of that period he held two titles, and finally lost the IBF title to Ricky Hatton in June 2005. He retired after that fight at age 36. During this period, there were no serious inquiries from the Floyd camp about a fight against Tszyu. Cheap talk, no walk.

After initially posting my opinion that it was Floyd that ran, not Tszyu, I became the subject of a veritable deluge of outrage, criticism, and lewd (but somewhat entertaining) invective by certain Mayweatherites on this site. I want to thank each and every foul mouthed one of you. You inspired me to PROVE my opinion with evidence, evidence of which you said was non-existent. Mr. Dios Dominicano and his gang maintain that Tszyu never, I repeat NEVER, made one single statement indicating his desire to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. and thus somehow "ran" from Floyd.

Exhibit #1: KOSTYA TSZYU DENIES DEAL TO FIGHT HATTON

According to a recent report by GRANTLEE KIEZA, Kostya Tszyu has again confirmed there is no deal to fight hard-hitting Englishman Ricky Hatton for $5million. Two weeks ago Tszyu told The Daily Telegraph exclusively that he wasn't fighting Hatton on March 5 in Manchester as the British press had announced and was forced to repeat his position yesterday after reports out of England saying a deal had been made.

Before heading off to his native Russia to collect a major award from President Vladimir *****, Tszyu said yesterday: "I am not fighting Ricky Hatton in Manchester anytime soon.

"I can't believe Hatton's promoter [Frank Warren] is still saying I am fighting him because there has been no deal made.

"Right now I am having a holiday for a few weeks and just enjoying time with my wife and kids. When it is time to fight again we will see who is on offer. But I promised my family I would not be training over Christmas so I will certainly not be fighting again by March."

When told that Warren said he had a verbal agreement with Tszyu's American-based promoter Vlad Warton, Tszyu smiled and said: "I decide who I fight, no one else."

Tszyu said he was far more interested in an offer of $10.5 million from American promoter Murad Muhammad to fight WBC champion Arturo Gatti and former world junior-lightweight and lightweight champion Floyd Mayweather.

"I want to fight them both," Tszyu said. "They mean a lot more on the world scene than Ricky Hatton."

12-14-2004
kostya-tszyu-news.newslib.com/story/2381-1113289/

Exhibit #2: KOSTYA TSZYU INTERVIEW

Scoop: Comment on fighting Floyd Mayweather...

Kostya Tszyu: "It would be a great fight. I fought his uncle (Roger-W 12 in '95 in Newcastle, Australia) who's training him now. It would be good to fight him too. I remember after Olympic Games ('96) we were in same room as Bob Arum, he just started his career. I already was world champion. It would be a good, good matchup. If the short time will be able to produce this match, it will be a great fight."

October 25, 2004
www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=2064&more=1

ARGUMENT:
Just as I always said, Tszyu was always open to any top contender at 140, ESPECIALLY Floyd. Floyd simply did not want any piece of Tszyu. Who knows, maybe uncle Roger didn't like the idea?

You will note that Tszyu destroyed Sharmba Mitchell (4 knockdowns and KO in the 3rd) on November 6, 2004. Tszyu remained unsigned and available to take a fight with Floyd for roughly two months after that fight. Mayweather didn't sign to fight Gatti until after January 30, 2005.

Unfortunately for boxing, DURING THIS TIME PERIOD Floyd never muttered a word. Instead of going after one of the greatest 140 champions of modern times, Floyd signed to fight the fifth installment in our gallery of bums, Arturo Gatti. There was no mention of Tszyu. There were no inquiries about getting the fight. There was nothing but a resounding wall of silence. Result? Tszyu signed to fight Ricky Hatton, and the rest is history.

This is evidence. Floyd can talk it up all he wants AFTER the fact. It doesn't matter. The self proclaimed "greatest of all time" skipped out on a real fight of historical proportions against the man.

I present to you, "The Theory of the 5 Bums."

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The point is that an offer was out there to get Mayweather and Tszyu together. Both were unsigned at the time. Tszyu expressed an interest. Mayweather signed to fight Gatti. Fact.

I point to the article as evidence that Tszyu wanted Mayweather in the period before Tszyu signed to fight Hatton. In fact the article specifically states that Tszyu denied there being a deal to fight Hatton. Why? Because he wanted Mayweather and Gatti, and there was an offer out there to make it happen.

What makes you think that Murad Muhammad ever talked to Gatti or Mayweather?

You do realize how that works, right? promoter goes to each fighter (ONE AT A TIME... Gatti, PBF an Zoo never shared promoter/offices to the best of my knowledge) promises more money than possible to each of them...

Even if he did... what if Mayweather wasnt interviewed by anyone in the 30 seconds between Muhammad's offer and Zoo signing to fight Hatton?

What you posted is Zoo saying someone not involved in 2 fighters offered him money to fight these 2 fighters, that does NOT mean in any way that Gatti or PBF saw the offer.

By the way with a grain of salt, you'd know that thost fights would not happen in the same sequence, due to HBO.
Floyd being young and HBO, do you think HBO would leave Gatti to be destroyed by their rising star, or by the ageing great of the rival network...

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It is a shame that Floyd never tried to hook up a fight with Tszyu. It's a real shame because at the time he was at 140, Floyd was beating bums and saying he was the best of all time. The problem is that Tszyu was the unified undisputed champion at 140 at the time. This is a real indictment against Floyd.

There's a thread right now in this forum in which DeLaHoya categorically states: "Floyd is unwilling to take risks. He is afraid to lose." DLH goes on to question Floyd's "heart".
One can point to Tszyu as extremely potent evidence of this.

It is a shame that Zoo nevert tried either.

When Zoo was unified and active, Floyd was at 135. When Zoo came back he had to fight Mitchell. Then he lost to Hatton get over it.

Zoo isnt evidence of ****.

You need to stop forgetting that Zoo was tied up for 2 years.

You also need to stop fantasizing that Zoo could ever beat Mayweather, because the style was all wrong for him. There was NOTHING that Zoo could do to bother Mayweather. You should start understanding that styles make fights and when your best punch is a straight right hand, you are not going to hit someone with that type of defense, unless you have better speed or better timing. Considering Mayweather's accuracy in landing and defending against all type of fighters he is clearly better in both compartments. Mayweather also doesnt get ****y, and Zoo would not be able to do much on the inside, because Mayweather is simply the better figher in there (ask Phillips). There are 'worse' fighters who have a better chance against Mayweather than Zoo ever did.

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I don't know why you continue to do this to yourself. You think time can erase the facts? I published the following article on this site last year, for people just like you.

Mayweather and the 5 Bums

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

After seeing the incredible allegations of a few Mayweatherites here alleging that the great Jr. Welter Weight Champ Kostya Tszyu ran from Floyd Mayweather, Jr., I was inspired to set the record straight. My findings:

After a truly impressive campaign at 130, Floyd moved to 135 in 2002. The problem began here and it's name was Jose Luis Castillo. After losing to Castillo on everybody's card but the judges' in the first fight, Mayweather used his defensive skills to salvage his reputation in the rematch. After that scare, Mayweather then proceeded to call on the hapless Lovemore N'dou. N'dou unexpectedly proved a stiff test, but Floyd passed it. Bum number one was conquered. Who would the self proclaimed greatest fight next? We were immediately deflated. Sosa was served up like a cold fish on April 19, 2003.

Fully in stride now, Mayweather moved up to Jr. Welter (140), where hall of famer Kostya Tszyu reigned supreme. Instead of calling on Tszyu, Floyd proceeded to feed on a steady diet of bums. On May 22, 2004, it was Demarcus Corley. On January 22, 2005, it was Henry Bruseles. And, on June 25, 2005, Floyd dismantled the last of the 5 bums, the washed up warrior, Arturo Gatti. 5 bums and no Tszyu.

Tszyu fought in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. He was top ten p4p in all those years. He began that period of time as the Jr. Welter Weight unified undisputed champion (the first to do it in 30 years). During the mid portion of that period he held two titles, and finally lost the IBF title to Ricky Hatton in June 2005. He retired after that fight at age 36. During this period, there were no serious inquiries from the Floyd camp about a fight against Tszyu. Cheap talk, no walk.

After initially posting my opinion that it was Floyd that ran, not Tszyu, I became the subject of a veritable deluge of outrage, criticism, and lewd (but somewhat entertaining) invective by certain Mayweatherites on this site. I want to thank each and every foul mouthed one of you. You inspired me to PROVE my opinion with evidence, evidence of which you said was non-existent. Mr. Dios Dominicano and his gang maintain that Tszyu never, I repeat NEVER, made one single statement indicating his desire to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. and thus somehow "ran" from Floyd.

Exhibit #1: KOSTYA TSZYU DENIES DEAL TO FIGHT HATTON

According to a recent report by GRANTLEE KIEZA, Kostya Tszyu has again confirmed there is no deal to fight hard-hitting Englishman Ricky Hatton for $5million. Two weeks ago Tszyu told The Daily Telegraph exclusively that he wasn't fighting Hatton on March 5 in Manchester as the British press had announced and was forced to repeat his position yesterday after reports out of England saying a deal had been made.

Before heading off to his native Russia to collect a major award from President Vladimir *****, Tszyu said yesterday: "I am not fighting Ricky Hatton in Manchester anytime soon.

"I can't believe Hatton's promoter [Frank Warren] is still saying I am fighting him because there has been no deal made.

"Right now I am having a holiday for a few weeks and just enjoying time with my wife and kids. When it is time to fight again we will see who is on offer. But I promised my family I would not be training over Christmas so I will certainly not be fighting again by March."

When told that Warren said he had a verbal agreement with Tszyu's American-based promoter Vlad Warton, Tszyu smiled and said: "I decide who I fight, no one else."

Tszyu said he was far more interested in an offer of $10.5 million from American promoter Murad Muhammad to fight WBC champion Arturo Gatti and former world junior-lightweight and lightweight champion Floyd Mayweather.

"I want to fight them both," Tszyu said. "They mean a lot more on the world scene than Ricky Hatton."

12-14-2004
kostya-tszyu-news.newslib.com/story/2381-1113289/

Exhibit #2: KOSTYA TSZYU INTERVIEW

Scoop: Comment on fighting Floyd Mayweather...

Kostya Tszyu: "It would be a great fight. I fought his uncle (Roger-W 12 in '95 in Newcastle, Australia) who's training him now. It would be good to fight him too. I remember after Olympic Games ('96) we were in same room as Bob Arum, he just started his career. I already was world champion. It would be a good, good matchup. If the short time will be able to produce this match, it will be a great fight."

October 25, 2004
www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=2064&more=1

ARGUMENT:
Just as I always said, Tszyu was always open to any top contender at 140, ESPECIALLY Floyd. Floyd simply did not want any piece of Tszyu. Who knows, maybe uncle Roger didn't like the idea?

You will note that Tszyu destroyed Sharmba Mitchell (4 knockdowns and KO in the 3rd) on November 6, 2004. Tszyu remained unsigned and available to take a fight with Floyd for roughly two months after that fight. Mayweather didn't sign to fight Gatti until after January 30, 2005.

Unfortunately for boxing, DURING THIS TIME PERIOD Floyd never muttered a word. Instead of going after one of the greatest 140 champions of modern times, Floyd signed to fight the fifth installment in our gallery of bums, Arturo Gatti. There was no mention of Tszyu. There were no inquiries about getting the fight. There was nothing but a resounding wall of silence. Result? Tszyu signed to fight Ricky Hatton, and the rest is history.

This is evidence. Floyd can talk it up all he wants AFTER the fact. It doesn't matter. The self proclaimed "greatest of all time" skipped out on a real fight of historical proportions against the man.

I present to you, "The Theory of the 5 Bums."

I know it is tough for you to understand, but would you call out an inactive. injured fighter, who is tied to fight someone else as soon as he comes back.

Also, Mayweather and Zoo said the same **** with different words "great fighter, great fight", but somehow Zoo is calling out Mayw, and Mayw is ducking....

On the other hand "Calzaghe has a more impressive defense than Mayweather" came out of the same keyboard asthe rest of your rants.

[Wiley Hyena]

it Is A Shame That Zoo Nevert Tried Either.

When Zoo Was Unified And Active, Floyd Was At 135. When Zoo Came Back He Had To Fight Mitchell. Then He Lost To Hatton Get Over It.

Zoo Isnt Evidence Of ****.

You Need To Stop Forgetting That Zoo Was Tied Up For 2 Years.

You Also Need To Stop Fantasizing That Zoo Could Ever Beat Mayweather, Because The Style Was All Wrong For Him. There Was Nothing That Zoo Could Do To Bother Mayweather. You Should Start Understanding That Styles Make Fights And When Your Best Punch Is A Straight Right Hand, You Are Not Going To Hit Someone With That Type Of Defense, Unless You Have Better Speed Or Better Timing. Considering Mayweather's Accuracy In Landing And Defending Against All Type Of Fighters He Is Clearly Better In Both Compartments. Mayweather Also Doesnt Get ****y, And Zoo Would Not Be Able To Do Much On The Inside, Because Mayweather Is Simply The Better Figher In There (ask Phillips). There Are 'worse' Fighters Who Have A Better Chance Against Mayweather Than Zoo Ever Did.

Tszyu was tailor made to beat Mayweather. This is why Floyd dodged Tszyu.............Owned...........

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Tszyu was tailor made to beat Mayweather. This is why Floyd dodged Tszyu.............Owned...........

This proves you dont know **** about boxing, like we didnt know after you said Calzaghe defense is more imressive than Mayweather.

Explain what Zoo could do to beat Mayweather. I will laugh if you say timing, everyone will. Most of waht you say will be laughable, because Mayweather is all wrong for Zoo.

Look you need to try and understand boxing a little bit more.

Does Arguello have what it takes ot beat Mayweather? no,
Saddler, Nelson and a young Chavez would all be better suited for the task.
Is any of those better than Arguello? no, in fact I rate each and all of them below Arguello (talking about 130 Chavez).

the fact that Zoo doesnt have the right style *at all* to beat Mayweather doesnt make him less of a great fighter

[Wiley Hyena]

This proves you dont know **** about boxing, like we didnt know after you said Calzaghe defense is more imressive than Mayweather.

Explain what Zoo could do to beat Mayweather. I will laugh if you say timing, everyone will. Most of waht you say will be laughable, because Mayweather is all wrong for Zoo.

Look you need to try and understand boxing a little bit more.

Does Arguello have what it takes ot beat Mayweather? no,
Saddler, Nelson and a young Chavez would all be better suited for the task.
Is any of those better than Arguello? no, in fact I rate each and all of them below Arguello (talking about 130 Chavez).

the fact that Zoo doesnt have the right style *at all* to beat Mayweather doesnt make him less of a great fighter

Rofl..............Move on. Floyd dodged Tszyu cause he didn't want any part of that right hand!

You can argue it until your blue in the face, but there's no doubt in my mind that Tszyu would have been the most formidable opponent that Mayweather has ever faced. It's commonly said, rightly or not, "Tszyu didn't like pressure fighters." Floyd isn't a pressure fighter. You have to be able to back Tszyu up to beat him, otherwise he just follows you around and eventually you go to sleep. Floyd doesn't have the style or power to beat prime Tszyu.

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Rofl..............Move on. Floyd dodged Tszyu cause he didn't want any part of that right hand!

You can argue it until your blue in the face, but there's no doubt in my mind that Tszyu would have been the most formidable opponent that Mayweather has ever faced. It's commonly said, rightly or not, "Tszyu didn't like pressure fighters." Floyd isn't a pressure fighter. You have to be able to back Tszyu up to beat him, otherwise he just follows you around and eventually you go to sleep. Floyd doesn't have the style or power to beat prime Tszyu.

YOU need to get over it, because you never saw with your eyes a straight right hand from outside land on Maywather.

The only straight right ones you could see are Castillo's short shots breaking off the clinch. Zoo doesnt throw those, Zoo throws left hooks off the clinch.

Being the better inside fighter, Mayweather wouldnt need to move to beat Zoo, although he would probably potshot him until we all fall asleep. Reach advantage, speed advantage, certainly not a timing disadvantage, and -since we are talking about 140- more than enough power to make Zoo think twice about throwing after a few rounds of counters. You are making Mayweather sound like a dumb fighter, which is ridiculous...

[Wiley Hyena]

YOU need to get over it, because you never saw with your eyes a straight right hand from outside land on Maywather.

The only straight right ones you could see are Castillo's short shots breaking off the clinch. Zoo doesnt throw those, Zoo throws left hooks off the clinch.

Being the better inside fighter, Mayweather wouldnt need to move to beat Zoo, although he would probably potshot him until we all fall asleep. Reach advantage, speed advantage, certainly not a timing disadvantage, and -since we are talking about 140- more than enough power to make Zoo think twice about throwing after a few rounds of counters. You are making Mayweather sound like a dumb fighter, which is ridiculous...

Mayweather is not a dumb fighter....he dodged Tszyu....that clearly shows his intelligence. You say reach advantage and speed advantage. Sounds like Judah, doesn't it? You say Mayweather "wouldn't need to move to beat Tszyu". Rofl!! Don't you be telling me I know nothing about boxing again.

Tszyu was Floyd's worst nightmare.