Can someone be an ATG...

[Mr. Fantastic]

But he didn't DLH like it or not lost to both those guys. This argument is getting ****** now because you're using fights DLH lost as evidence he's great.

Thanks to you.

[Dan...]

The Benitez win was good but this was the same guy SRL dropped with a jab. Duran was 3 divisions above his best weight and although he was still very good he certainly was at a major disadvantage. Hill lost 7-5 it was a close fight but yes Tommy did beat a legit 175 lber. Maybe I'll have to reconsider his place p4p ATG.

I'm not sure how many of those Hearns fights you have seen, not many I would assume.

Duran may have been 3 divisions above his best weight but he was also one division below the weight at which he gave the best MW of all time one hell of a fight over 15 rounds. Have you seen the Benitez fight with Leonard? Ray had a massive amount of difficulty with Wilfred in that fight and it was very competitive right up until the stoppage at the very end of the 15th.

Hill was more than a legit 175 pounder, he was the cream of the crop. And whilst I can understand why you think the fight was very close by looking at the scorecards on boxrec I can assure you there is no doubt whatsoever that Tommy won that fight convincingly.

[lparm]

I believe they were, even if its on the way out. To each his own though. It was pretty messed up that Mosley took Steroids, so did Vargas.

So did RJJ or at least he tested positive but Roy is still ranked higher than DLH because he actually beat great fighters in their prime.

[lparm]

I'm not sure how many of those Hearns fights you have seen, not many I would assume.

Duran may have been 3 divisions above his best weight but he was also one division below the weight at which he gave the best MW of all time one hell of a fight over 15 rounds. Have you seen the Benitez fight with Leonard? Ray had a massive amount of difficulty with Wilfred in that fight and it was very competitive right up until the stoppage at the very end of the 15th.

Hill was more than a legit 175 pounder, he was the cream of the crop. And whilst I can understand why you think the fight was very close by looking at the scorecards on boxrec I can assure you there is no doubt whatsoever that Tommy won that fight convincingly.

SRL dropped Benitez with a jab. Am I wrong? prove it. Hill was a very good 175lber and like I said I will have to seriously reconsider Hearns' position p4p all time. I actually forgot he beat Hill. It must be all this DLH beat Mosley and Tito talk.

[Mr. Fantastic]

So did RJJ or at least he tested positive but Roy is still ranked higher than DLH because he actually beat great fighters in their prime.

Like Who other than Toney??

[lparm]

Like Who other than Toney??

Didn't RJJ beat Hop an ATG mw at mw? and he beat Hill and Toney at 168 and 175 both very good fighter arguably better than Vargas or Quartey. Maybe I'm wrong here but Hop is an ATG mw isn't he? oh wait he can't be because you said he lost to Mitchell I forgot about that.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Didn't RJJ beat Hop an ATG mw at mw? and he beat Hill and Toney at 168 and 175 both very good fighter arguably better than Vargas or Quartey. Maybe I'm wrong here but Hop is an ATG mw isn't he? oh wait he can't be because you said he lost to Mitchell I forgot about that.

DLH's resume is better than Jones. Win/lose, don't matter. DLH has fought like 8 HOFs and about to be 9 with Pac. I give props though for Jones going up to heavyweight and beating Ruiz for that belt though.

[lparm]

DLH's resume is better than Jones. Win/lose, don't matter. DLH has fought like 8 HOFs and about to be 9 with Pac. I give props though for Jones going up to heavyweight and beating Ruiz for that belt though.

You talk about losing like it doesn't matter. If losing doesn't matter then I guess guys like Mayorga who lost to Mosley, Tito and DLH is an ATG.

[Mr. Fantastic]

You talk about losing like it doesn't matter. If losing doesn't matter then I guess guys like Mayorga who lost to Mosley, Tito and DLH is an ATG.

It does matter, DLH lost to nothing but future HOFs.

Calzaghe, Tarver, Griffin, Johnson.....which ones are HOFs???

This **** keeps going and going, not going to end with you.

[Dan...]

DLH's resume is better than Jones. Win/lose, don't matter. DLH has fought like 8 HOFs and about to be 9 with Pac. I give props though for Jones going up to heavyweight and beating Ruiz for that belt though.

Oscar certainly fought a better level of competition than Roy but speaking purely in terms of their resumes (i.e. who they beat) I would say they are very comparable and, if anything, Roy might get the slight nod due to his wins over Toney and BHop. It is close though.