Would Calzaghe go through RJJ's resume undeafeated?

[Wiley Hyena]

You did,

Just because Ruiz was 200+ does not mean his chin was better.


just to remind you of your ridiculous statement



The simple fact is that Jones packs a lot more power than Calzaghe, and carried 199lbs of muscle in the ring with ease, Calzaghe still has to score a knockdown above 168. If you fight someone wh ohits harder than anyone you have fought (That's Ruiz to Jones and Calzaghe). You need to fight defensively and/or hurt him to keep him honest. Workrate is useless if the other guy keeps throwing and can knock you ouy in any of the 12th rounds, (but then again this is boxing, how'd you know?)

Calzaghe's defense is not Jones's, neither is his power, hence it would be very tough for him to win against any HW, nevermind a good one. That's why the Ruiz fight was not quickly forgotten. Because only a few MW in history could do that.

OK. At least you are now trying analyze your theory. I disagree on a couple of your assertions.
1. You're completely stuck on the term "workrate" when it comes to Calzaghe. In Calzhaghe's case, the only reason his workrate is so successful is because he's elusive as hell. Just look at him toy with Roy last week. Yes...I know you'll say Roy was washed up. But, throughout his undefeated career...the point remains.
2. You believe that Calzaghe's defense is "not Jones's". I disagree. Calzaghe is extremely difficult to hit squarely. Surely, we can agree that Ruiz cannot even compare to the speed Calzaghe faced in his career.
3. You say Jones packs alot more power than Calzaghe. I agree to the extent that Roy's power was probably greater than Calzaghe's (although we Americans like to underrate Calzaghe's power). But, Ruiz wasn't afraid of Jones' "power." You're missing the point. Ruiz simply could not catch Roy, so Roy won. It was as simple as that. Likewise, I have my doubts that Ruiz could have caught Joe.

[Chr0nic]

OK. At least you are now trying analyze your theory. I disagree on a couple of your assertions.
1. You're completely stuck on the term "workrate" when it comes to Calzaghe. In Calzhaghe's case, the only reason his workrate is so successful is because he's elusive as hell. Just look at him toy with Roy last week. Yes...I know you'll say Roy was washed up. But, throughout his undefeated career...the point remains.
2. You believe that Calzaghe's defense is "not Jones's". I disagree. Calzaghe is extremely difficult to hit squarely. Surely, we can agree that Ruiz cannot even compare to the speed Calzaghe faced in his career.
3. You say Jones packs alot more power than Calzaghe. I agree to the extent that Roy's power was probably greater than Calzaghe's (although we Americans like to underrate Calzaghe's power). But, Ruiz wasn't afraid of Jones' "power." You're missing the point. Ruiz simply could not catch Roy, so Roy won. It was as simple as that. Likewise, I have my doubts that Ruiz could have caught Joe.

roy also rocked ruiz, something calzaghe would not be able to do, he would'nt even be able to push ruiz to put him off balance(and that's calzaghe approach through most of his fights)

[Wiley Hyena]

roy also rocked ruiz, something calzaghe would not be able to do, he would'nt even be able to push ruiz to put him off balance(and that's calzaghe approach through most of his fights)

You may be underrating Calzaghe's power, but I'll grant you that there are major stylistic differences between Calzaghe and Jones. Jones fought in and out, to hit and never get hit. Calzaghe isn't so concerned about getting hit, his concern is to not get hit squarely while throwing a multitude of punches. In this respect, Jones' style was probably geared better to deal with a weak heavyweight such as Ruiz. But, I won't write off Calzaghe against John Ruiz. Ruiz was devastatingly mediocre. Calzaghe is 10 times more talented than the likes of John Ruiz.

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OK. At least you are now trying analyze your theory. I disagree on a couple of your assertions.
1. You're completely stuck on the term "workrate" when it comes to Calzaghe. In Calzhaghe's case, the only reason his workrate is so successful is because he's elusive as hell. Just look at him toy with Roy last week. Yes...I know you'll say Roy was washed up. But, throughout his undefeated career...the point remains.
2. You believe that Calzaghe's defense is "not Jones's". I disagree. Calzaghe is extremely difficult to hit squarely. Surely, we can agree that Ruiz cannot even compare to the speed Calzaghe faced in his career.
3. You say Jones packs alot more power than Calzaghe. I agree to the extent that Roy's power was probably greater than Calzaghe's (although we Americans like to underrate Calzaghe's power). But, Ruiz wasn't afraid of Jones' "power." You're missing the point. Ruiz simply could not catch Roy, so Roy won. It was as simple as that. Likewise, I have my doubts that Ruiz could have caught Joe.

1. + 2. Look, Calzaghe has been put on his ass a number of times at 68 and 75, his defense is not Jones'. period. This simple fact that even you can see point at this. Calzaghe is not that elusive.

3. Jones rocked Ruiz, enough to keep him thinking about throwing and off his comfortable punching pattern, all of this while moving and not getting hit of course. Jones at 160-168 and early at 175 was putting people on their asses people with 1 or 2 punches. Joe never did, hence those punches wouldnt attract the attention of Ruiz

1+2+3 = Calzaghe doesnt have what it takes to beat a 220 lbs fighter.

[Ivansmamma]

Hopkins, Toney, Tarver, Ruiz. He would have problems with all of them. Roy fought far better competition than Calzaghe who hid at supermiddle until it was safe to venture up in weight and challenge past their prime legends.

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You may be underrating Calzaghe's power, but I'll grant you that there are major stylistic differences between Calzaghe and Jones. Jones fought in and out, to hit and never get hit. Calzaghe isn't so concerned about getting hit, his concern is to not get hit squarely while throwing a multitude of punches. In this respect, Jones' style was probably geared better to deal with a weak heavyweight such as Ruiz. But, I won't write off Calzaghe against John Ruiz. Ruiz was devastatingly mediocre. Calzaghe is 10 times more talented than the likes of John Ruiz.

I think only a ****** would not agree on the bold, but Ruiz is still 220 pounds of fighter. Comprende?

[El Dominicano]

No Calzaghe would lose to B-Hop, James Toney and Ruiz
He'd possibly lose to Tarver
He'd have a hard time with Montell

[Chr0nic]

i dont even see calzaghe as that talented, he does'nt seem cut out for sports, maybe running, cuz of his stamina, but the man has no body control, he could'nt play basketball or soccer or anything, he can hardly throw a punch as it is, throws it like a punk(not saying his a punk ofcourse)

but anyway.

[Wiley Hyena]

I think only a ****** would not agree on the bold, but Ruiz is still 220 pounds of fighter. Comprende?

Comprende.

[Wiley Hyena]

i dont even see calzaghe as that talented, he does'nt seem cut out for sports, maybe running, cuz of his stamina, but the man has no body control, he could'nt play basketball or soccer or anything, he can hardly throw a punch as it is, throws it like a punk(not saying his a punk ofcourse)

but anyway.

Don't you have school tommorrow? Get your chores done and finish your homework. Leave the boxing to us.