Would Calzaghe go through RJJ's resume undeafeated?

[ragingvic]

calzaghe was dropped by bhop and roy in the first round. Neither is known as a ko artist. No way his chin holds up at heavyweight. Ruiz is at least a above average heavyweight, he knocked valuev down. I cant imagine calz surviing 12 rounds with him.

[bsrizpac]

calzaghe was dropped by bhop and roy in the first round. Neither is known as a ko artist. No way his chin holds up at heavyweight. Ruiz is at least a above average heavyweight, he knocked valuev down. I cant imagine calz surviing 12 rounds with him.

AT THE END OF THE DAY

could Ruiz beat SAKIO BIKA?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

calzaghe was dropped by bhop and roy in the first round. Neither is known as a ko artist. No way his chin holds up at heavyweight. Ruiz is at least a above average heavyweight, he knocked valuev down. I cant imagine calz surviing 12 rounds with him.

So what? Can Ruiz fight on the backfoot and throw a perfect right hand counter? Would Calzaghe be ****** enough to rush at Ruiz? Dont ever compare Bernard Hopkins to John Ruiz. The punch had little to do with power or Joes chin anyway. It was just a great shot, Joe was off balance.

Roy Jones knocked him down with a forearm.

Its like saying "Jones got KDed by Del Valle, hows he gonna hold up against Ruiz"

[Wiley Hyena]

So what? Can Ruiz fight on the backfoot and throw a perfect right hand counter? Would Calzaghe be ****** enough to rush at Ruiz? Dont ever compare Bernard Hopkins to John Ruiz. The punch had little to do with power or Joes chin anyway. It was just a great shot, Joe was off balance.

Roy Jones knocked him down with a forearm.

Its like saying "Jones got KDed by Del Valle, hows he gonna hold up against Ruiz"

Ruiz is the most overrated win on Roy's record. Ruiz was one of the worst heavyweight champions that I've ever seen. He was a towering mediocrity. Slow, plodding, average power at best, and a crybaby to boot.

Roy beat the only heavyweight champion he could beat, and then made a very quick exit from the heavyweight division. Call it a one fight tour. The Toney win was 10 times more impressive. IMO

[Dan...]

Ruiz is the most overrated win on Roy's record. Ruiz was one of the worst heavyweight champions that I've ever seen. He was a towering mediocrity. Slow, plodding, average power at best, and a crybaby to boot.

Roy beat the only heavyweight champion he could beat, and then made a very quick exit from the heavyweight division. Call it a one fight tour. The Toney win was 10 times more impressive. IMO

I hate Ruiz as much as the next guy but the bottom line is that he was a legitimate HW champ with a very decent resume including wins over Holyfield, Rahman and Kirk Johnson. For a guy who has fought at as low as 154 to step up and completely dominate a guy with those credentials is pretty impressive IMO. I agree that the Toney win is of greater significance as Jones was an underdog in that fight and Toney was rated at #2 p4p, but I don't think the Ruiz win is unimpressive.

[Liaison]

Obviously not, he’d suffer an L to Ruiz. But considering when RRJ fought certain fighters, he’d get past Hopkins with a UD similar to that in which Roy gained, toney would be tough but Calzaghe would do it fairly comfortable against that weight drained version. He’d struggle with Griffin, Johnson & Harding (unsure about that Hill though) though I’m confident he’d beat them all..

And on Ruiz, we should never forget, back then he was at 220-225, had good stamina and had wins over Johnson, Hoylfield and Tucker. Now you could say tucker was a can ( a lie), Tucker was shot (true) and Holyfield was shot (partly true). Remember Holyfield had come off 24 rounds with Lewis, while many agree he lost the first (117-111 by my card), in some peoples eyes, he won the second (in which I agree, 115-113), so while he was a fighter fighting in ill health, he was still a legitimate fighter amongst the division, probably top 5 (though despite my praise of Ruiz, I did score Holyfield the first and third fight but Ruiz was great in the second, I do think those 36 rounds took a lot outta John.)…

[77Ritchie77]

maybe ruiz could have beaten joe.
i think joe beats hopkins any year. toney in 94 wouldve had a chance vs joe.
then theres mccallum and a prim etarver (his prime lasted one punch)
so no joe probly wouldnt have gone undefeated, either would any other fighter ever

[Benny Leonard]

So what? Can Ruiz fight on the backfoot and throw a perfect right hand counter? Would Calzaghe be ****** enough to rush at Ruiz? Dont ever compare Bernard Hopkins to John Ruiz. The punch had little to do with power or Joes chin anyway. It was just a great shot, Joe was off balance.

Roy Jones knocked him down with a forearm.

Its like saying "Jones got KDed by Del Valle, hows he gonna hold up against Ruiz"

Roy made sure to keep his distance against Ruiz. Against Lou he started to slack, kept his guard down and turned his head. You could see Roy felt like an idiot.

Ruiz knocked down Holyfield as well. Ruiz's power is much greater than anyone Joe fought.

I'm not sure Joe can fight another way. He comes forward and throws punches in bunches. Ruiz also throws body shots so that could be damaging to a smaller framed fighter like Joe.

Like a said before; a forearm punch isn't that bad...but he did seem to catch Joe on the nose so that is a stinger.


Ruiz may have not been the greatest of HW Champions, but he was Champion and a top guy no matter what anyone says. Even if he is deemed "average" for a HW, that's like saying he is an average NFL player...but put him back up against the High-School kids, which in this case would be below 200 pounders, how would he do; other than Roy?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Roy made sure to keep his distance against Ruiz. Against Lou he started to slack, kept his guard down and turned his head. You could see Roy felt like an idiot.

Ruiz knocked down Holyfield as well. Ruiz's power is much greater than anyone Joe fought.

I'm not sure Joe can fight another way. He comes forward and throws punches in bunches. Ruiz also throws body shots so that could be damaging to a smaller framed fighter like Joe.

Like a said before; a forearm punch isn't that bad...but he did seem to catch Joe on the nose so that is a stinger.


Ruiz may have not been the greatest of HW Champions, but he was Champion and a top guy no matter what anyone says. Even if he is deemed "average" for a HW, that's like saying he is an average NFL player...but put him back up against the High-School kids, which in this case would be below 200 pounders, how would he do; other than Roy?

Watch Calzaghe vs Lacy to see Joe nuetralise a slow plodding puncher. And Lacy is more talented than Ruiz. Joe is a much better counter puncher than he is a "come forward" fighter.

Yes it would depend on how Joe carries the weight. But if he carries it well enough to move round the ring, he would embarrass Ruiz.

[Benny Leonard]

Watch Calzaghe vs Lacy to see Joe nuetralise a slow plodding puncher. And Lacy is more talented than Ruiz. Joe is a much better counter puncher than he is a "come forward" fighter.

Yes it would depend on how Joe carries the weight. But if he carries it well enough to move round the ring, he would embarrass Ruiz.

Lacy is a 168 pound fighter...trying to compare him with John Ruiz who is about 6'2, 225-240 is a joke. Ruiz carries more power in his left jab than Lacy does with the hardest shot he throws. I do understand what you are trying to get at, but it doesn't work.

Lacy is overrated; I said this a while back before the Calzaghe fight.

Joe's not that great at moving around the ring; he's not really the "athletic" agility type. He's decent; we'll leave it at that.

I still see Joe losing because of the way he fights.

But it's not that big of a deal; Ruiz is a HW.

Joe's still a great in his weight class.