Calzaghe beats Jones at any age.

[AceNguyen]

Oh, I get it, only Roy Jones is allowed to be better in his mid to late 20s.

Makes all the sense in the world now.

Are you denying that Roy Jones has declined more than Joe Calzaghe?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Calzaghe is not an unconventional fighter who relied on reflexes their is a reason Hopkins is the better OLD FIGHTER than Jones

there is probably a reason he never fought Eubank,Benn etc etc but it dont mean he avoided them cause he could not beat them does it ?

What kind of **** is this?

ALL fighters rely on their reflexes.

Some choose to develop actual technique to go along with natural abilities.

Roy didn't, and it cost him later in his career.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Are you denying that Roy Jones has declined more than Joe Calzaghe?

Did I say as much or are you simply assuming?


The fact of the matter remains, Joe Calzaghe has slowed down as well when it comes to speed and reflexes.

Prime for prime, its a close fight whether you want to admit it or not.

[Wiley Hyena]

Once again - so because Old Joe > Old Roy, it means that Prime Joe > Prime Roy too? Isn't there something to be said for some fighters declining rapidly and some having greater longevity? Joe may be greater for a longer period of time, but that has nothing to do with how they fight each other prime for prime.

The difference between Joe now and Joe 7 years ago vs. Jones now and Jones 7 years ago is not even worth comparing, Jones has fallen off a cliff and everyone knows it. Joe has not, hence his ass-kicking of Jones but that doesn't prove anything about a Prime-for-Prime fight.

Round 3 could not have existed a decade ago, Jones could actually throw left hooks back then and had ten times the speed and power.

I've never seen a Calzaghe opponent that wasn't confused. Confused fighters tend to lock up and become uncertain. Roy did the same thing. I doubt youth would have alleviated this condition.

[wmute]

Do you see me making excuses for any fighters after a loss?

Nope.


Btw, I've never said Roy wasn't a great fighter.

Not a single time.

So what's your point exactly?

[Vasyl’s dad]

So what's your point exactly?

read the thread.

[AceNguyen]

I've never seen a Calzaghe opponent that wasn't confused. Confused fighters tend to lock up and become uncertain. Roy did the same thing. I doubt youth would have alleviated this condition.

You have also never seen a Calzaghe opponent close to the ability of a prime Roy Jones, Jr. I had never seen James Toney and Hopkins look ****** until Roy Jones make them look like club fighters, either.

He's confused now because he can't throw a left hook or combination and couldn't hurt Calzaghe anymore. If that 3rd round happened in Jones's prime, he would pop a few punches and Calzaghe would have to raise his hands or be knocked down. I would say youth definitely would have alleviated that condition.

[Sudo]

Calzaghe dominated this fight.
Jones isn't so much shot to be dominated by a total slouch.
Few years ago, this would be more competitive fight... And Calzaghe would still win.
Not so one sided, but would still win.

[wmute]

"If your going to say Calzaghe is better then Roy because he beat this Roy than Terry Norris is better then any version of Sugar Ray Leonard. Its the same thing."

No. It's not the same thing at all. First of all Calzaghe is only 3 years younger than Jones. So now you have to consider the issue as to whether or not longevity is an element of true greatness. Surely it is, and Calzaghe wins again. However, if you're disposed to disagree, then one is forced to consider how a prime Calzaghe would have handled a prime Roy. There is absolutely no reason to think that Calzaghe, who in his prime was a lightening fast mongoose of a fighter, could not just as easily have disposed of a prime Roy Jones, Jr. IN the end, "styles make fights." And, Roy simply could not handle Calzaghe's style. NOBODY ever has.

Actually watching Jones in his prime would be enough of a reason.

"Disposing of a prime Roy Jones Jr." might be the dumbest thing I ever read in a boxing discussion.

[bsrizpac]

Actually watching Jones in his prime would be enough of a reason.

"Disposing of a prime Roy Jones Jr." might be the dumbest thing I ever read in a boxing discussion.

This is one of the dumbest threads i've ever seen. Good thing there are morons keeping this going.