Calzaghe beats Jones at any age.

[El Dominicano]

Some fighters are not as good technically and fundamentally as others, but there a lot more athletic with much better speed. This advantage in athletic ability and speed only last for so long. Maybe 20 years old until 30 years old. A fighter who has always relied on his fundamentals and technique will be the better older fighter. Bottom line is what counts anyway is how good were you at your peak. Bernard Hopkins is a better older fighter than Roy, but what happen at there peak? This version of Hopkins would dominate this version of Roy, but the bottom line is what happen when both were young.

Calzaghe was badly hurt by a Roy Jones punch that didnt even land cleanly. Imagine if thats 1994-1997 Roy with a lot more snap in his punch.

Nice reading man. Good post

[Dynamite Kid]

Struggling to deal with it?

Joes face was inches away from Roys hands while Joes hands were at his sides.


A little tidbit you're leaving out,

Joe wasn't in his prime last night either.

Prime for prime its a very close fight and I'd give Roy a very slight edge based on having problems with southpaws who can box.


There is a reason why Jones chose not to fight Calzaghe earlier.

and that proves how much Jones had slowed down the fact that Calzaghe was able to do that im sure you would not expect him to get away with that against a PRIME Jones ?

Joe was'nt in his prime well compared to Jones he was Jones was finished in 2004 it happens to be 2008 now

do me a favour Jones could of fought about 5 other guys that would of been considered a more dangerous oponent for him to face

[Wiley Hyena]

and that proves how much Jones had slowed down the fact that Calzaghe was able to do that im sure you would not expect him to get away with that against a PRIME Jones ?

Joe was'nt in his prime well compared to Jones he was Jones was finished in 2004 it happens to be 2008 now

do me a favour Jones could of fought about 5 other guys that would of been considered a more dangerous oponent for him to face

You missed the point. The point is that Calzaghe is 36 years old himself. It's not about how this Calzaghe would have performed against a prime Jones, Jr. IT's about how a prime Calzaghe would have performed against a prime Jones, Jr.

There's got to be some reason Roy never fought Calzaghe before last night. I never heard Roy calling Joe out, or ridiculing Joe for dodging him, or other such b.s. Never. I suspect the fight could have been made had Roy wanted to go to Britain to fight. Roy was the big star, and the money draw. This leads me to conclude that Roy didn't want to risk his reputation and record on a fight with Calzaghe. That tells me alot.

[Benny Leonard]

You missed the point. The point is that Calzaghe is 36 years old himself. It's not about how this Calzaghe would have performed against a prime Jones, Jr. IT's about how a prime Calzaghe would have performed against a prime Jones, Jr.

There's got to be some reason Roy never fought Calzaghe before last night. I never heard Roy calling Joe out, or ridiculing Joe for dodging him, or other such b.s. Never. I suspect the fight could have been made had Roy wanted to go to Britain to fight. Roy was the big star, and the money draw. This leads me to conclude that Roy didn't want to risk his reputation and record on a fight with Calzaghe. That tells me alot.

that's because NOBODY NEW WHO JOE CALZAGHE WAS IN AMERICA. And, Joe was fighting at 168.


So Joe called out a Prime Roy Jones Jr. and delivered papers to try to get a fight made in America?

ROY WAS NOT GOING TO BRITAIN.

What it does tell me about Joe is that he was willing to fight a 43 year old Hopkins and a SHOT Roy Jones Jr and feels he fought them at their best...saying how he beat two "legends." No Joe, you beat the names...no telling how you would have done Prime vs. Prime.

[Dynamite Kid]

You missed the point. The point is that Calzaghe is 36 years old himself. It's not about how this Calzaghe would have performed against a prime Jones, Jr. IT's about how a prime Calzaghe would have performed against a prime Jones, Jr.

There's got to be some reason Roy never fought Calzaghe before last night. I never heard Roy calling Joe out, or ridiculing Joe for dodging him, or other such b.s. Never. I suspect the fight could have been made had Roy wanted to go to Britain to fight. Roy was the big star, and the money draw. This leads me to conclude that Roy didn't want to risk his reputation and record on a fight with Calzaghe. That tells me alot.

Calzaghe is not an unconventional fighter who relied on reflexes their is a reason Hopkins is the better OLD FIGHTER than Jones

there is probably a reason he never fought Eubank,Benn etc etc but it dont mean he avoided them cause he could not beat them does it ?

[AKATheMack]

Why does it matter?
That excuse doesn't work for any other fighter, it won't work for Roy Jones.
.

Except Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, SRL, Mike Tyson and a hundred other fighters. Who doesnt that excuse work for?

[Wiley Hyena]

that's because NOBODY NEW WHO JOE CALZAGHE WAS IN AMERICA. And, Joe was fighting at 168.


So Joe called out a Prime Roy Jones Jr. and delivered papers to try to get a fight made in America?

ROY WAS NOT GOING TO BRITAIN.

What it does tell me about Joe is that he was willing to fight a 43 year old Hopkins and a SHOT Roy Jones Jr and feels he fought them at their best...saying how he beat two "legends." No Joe, you beat the names...no telling how you would have done Prime vs. Prime.

Wait a second. I remember HBO talking up a potential Jones/Calzaghe fight during alot of Roy's bum of the month fights. HBO and the boxing world sure as heck knew who Calzaghe was...undefeated world champion. I don't mind you apologizing for Roy. It's easy to see why he would have thought that as boxing royalty, he shouldn't have to go to Britain to fight. But, don't try to turn the fault on Calzaghe. It's simply not a convincing argument. IMO if Roy had wanted Calzaghe, he could have made the fight...even if it meant going to Britain.

[AceNguyen]

"Jones would have beaten Calzaghe clearly in his prime"

Based on what? You do realize that Joe would be in his prime as well don't you?

If this fight happens 7-10 years ago, Joe gains some speed and his reflexes as well.


But what are you basing a Jones victory on, the knockdown in the first round?

Well, based on your comments, I know it couldn't be that.

Once again - so because Old Joe > Old Roy, it means that Prime Joe > Prime Roy too? Isn't there something to be said for some fighters declining rapidly and some having greater longevity? Joe may be greater for a longer period of time, but that has nothing to do with how they fight each other prime for prime.

The difference between Joe now and Joe 7 years ago vs. Jones now and Jones 7 years ago is not even worth comparing, Jones has fallen off a cliff and everyone knows it. Joe has not, hence his ass-kicking of Jones but that doesn't prove anything about a Prime-for-Prime fight.

Round 3 could not have existed a decade ago, Jones could actually throw left hooks back then and had ten times the speed and power.

[Vasyl’s dad]

that's because NOBODY NEW WHO JOE CALZAGHE WAS IN AMERICA. And, Joe was fighting at 168.


So Joe called out a Prime Roy Jones Jr. and delivered papers to try to get a fight made in America?

ROY WAS NOT GOING TO BRITAIN.

What it does tell me about Joe is that he was willing to fight a 43 year old Hopkins and a SHOT Roy Jones Jr and feels he fought them at their best...saying how he beat two "legends." No Joe, you beat the names...no telling how you would have done Prime vs. Prime.

There is more to boxing than america.

You guys need to realize that.

Roy and many other high profile american boxers never fighting outside the states says quite a bit about their confidence in their abilities.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Once again - so because Old Joe > Old Roy, it means that Prime Joe > Prime Roy too? Isn't there something to be said for some fighters declining rapidly and some having greater longevity? Joe may be greater for a longer period of time, but that has nothing to do with how they fight each other prime for prime.

The difference between Joe now and Joe 7 years ago vs. Jones now and Jones 7 years ago is not even worth comparing, Jones has fallen off a cliff and everyone knows it. Joe has not, hence his ass-kicking of Jones but that doesn't prove anything about a Prime-for-Prime fight.

Round 3 could not have existed a decade ago, Jones could actually throw left hooks back then and had ten times the speed and power.

Oh, I get it, only Roy Jones is allowed to be better in his mid to late 20s.

Makes all the sense in the world now.