America, Roy Jones, Finally See Best of Joe Calzaghe

[darkman]

Hopkins is a legend, but even so pretty much everything you say is spot on lol I really do rate the man, but going down holding your balls after a slap in the leg really riles me. As for this fight, yes Roy is shot but even a shot Roy is a threat, he isn't exactly feather-fisted and uncapable so Calzaghe deserves credit for dominating him rather than just beating him. I agree with the people who say his status was secured beating Kessler and Lacy too - this fight was just a money-spinner.

As for Bad Chad Dawson, he's the latest in a long line of fighter's every Calzaghe-hater builds up just because they need someone to beat Calzaghe. I'm not saying Dawson doesn't have the talent, I'm just saying if they did fight and Calzaghe won, there'd be someone else younger who Calzaghe "must beat to secure his legacy." How much longer must this go on before people let him be? Calzaghe is nearing 37 and he's already lost his power, I wouldn't want to see him doing a Roy and keep going too long. Every major boxing publication on the planet has Calzaghe as the second greatest fighter in the world, that's enough for me. He's not my favourite, not even in my top 5 favourite to watch, but like the majority of unbiased fans I am aware of his class. A bum could not beat Reid, Bika, Lacy, KESSLER, Hopkins and a shot Jones Jnr.

On a sidenote, Jones Jnr was one of my favourite fighters and possibly the greatest fighter I've seen in the last 20 years in his prime (even though he avoided many threats during that time if you look back), and it was particularly difficult watching him lose last night in that way - I wish he'd retire so I could remember him only for his brilliance.

Hey man, you sound more intelligent than that other fool who just sounds like a cheerleader. I do disagree with you that Joe sealed his legacy as an ATG beating Kessler and Lacy. The fact is kessler is a good fighter, but you have to beat great fighters to be considered great as well. Kessler has also been a protected fighter most of his career. I mean who has he faced that we would consider a great fighter. As far as Lacy I do give Joe more credit for beating Lacy, but you must remember Americans never considered Lacy a GREAT FIGHTER we have always seen him as a good fighter with the potential to be a great one. He never reached greatness. Can you imagine what Hopkins would do to Lacy and Kessler. Let's be real man. As far as you saying every major publication having joe as the second GFOTW. Come on man that remark right there insults your intelligence. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that one, you problaby had too much to drink. People have to learn to differentiate between GOOD fighters and GREAT fighters.

[kevtwin]

You brit cheerleaders make me laugh. There is no doubt that Joe is a great fighter of his era. Perhaps the best british fighter of all time, But THAT WERE IT STOPS! To call him one of the all time greats is reaching too far. He just beat a Roy that was just as Joe has stated before " A shadow of the boxer he use to be". Roy has been washed up for years now. He looked old and even the commentators who are American by the way stated repeatedly that this was not the old ROY. The roy who was dominating with phenomenal speed and power. The Roy I saw today was A SHADOW OF WHAT HE ONCE WAS. Not even close. Pavlik on the other hand is at his prime and Joe has avoided him for a while. Hopkins took care of him and I hope Joe has the balls to face Hopkins again. I think he will be forced too. I can see that Hopkins still bugs Joe. Joe went out of his way to demean Hopkins by calling roy a bigger Legend. That is a ***** move. I smell rotten apples from joe. To hold another fighter nuts to just trash another one is what I call A ***** MOVE. Beyond that I thought Joe fought a great fight and showed a lot of heart to get up after being dropped and just dominate Roy. I actually thought Roy would make it more interesting but that just shows how far gone he is. At the end of the day Joe waited too long to face legitimate competition to be considered an all time great. That question will always be there. Hopkins vs Joe II I would love to see that fight. Now BERNARD HOPKINS is truly one of the all time greats. That's undisputed.

is that BHop the legend that Joe has already beaten, or someone else?

[No*Ordinary*Joe]

Dowson isent in joes league END OFF.

So was calzaghe in a no win situation. is being to good and making ur oppenent look crap, means he was shot? If jones won wud u be saying hes still shot, No u wud be saying Jones is back, jones is rolling bk the years blah blah. In fact i now dnt give a sh ite wat u yanks or jones fans think.

Joe won Jones Lost.
Jones says calzaghe deserves to be in the hall of fame.
Joe beat Hopkins
Joe beat underfeated lacy and kessler.
Joe hasent lost in 46 pro fights.
Joe beat hopkins and jones on there own soil.

Do we see americans fighting anywere else but there own country. Nope

(I see we have spellllling police on here too)

All in all i love reading the yanks crying about Joe HA HA HA HA

[Roger Mellie]

Hey man, you sound more intelligent than that other fool who just sounds like a cheerleader. I do disagree with you that Joe sealed his legacy as an ATG beating Kessler and Lacy. The fact is kessler is a good fighter, but you have to beat great fighters to be considered great as well. Kessler has also been a protected fighter most of his career. I mean who has he faced that we would consider a great fighter. As far as Lacy I do give Joe more credit for beating Lacy, but you must remember Americans never considered Lacy a GREAT FIGHTER we have always seen him as a good fighter with the potential to be a great one. He never reached greatness. Can you imagine what Hopkins would do to Lacy and Kessler. Let's be real man. As far as you saying every major publication having joe as the second GFOTW. Come on man that remark right there insults your intelligence. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that one, you problaby had too much to drink. People have to learn to differentiate between GOOD fighters and GREAT fighters.

truth hurts,if you think hopkins is a legend after hiding at middle and picking on little guys then you are the ****ing idiot,and i notice that you couldnt answer my post because it was spot on.for the record rjj is one of my fave fighters of all time.hopkins is sooo overated it is untrue.and he fights like a girl.i sound like a cheerleader for pointing out the blindingly obvious?

[Roger Mellie]

By Cliff Rold - For years, many in America refused to acknowledge the exceptional gifts and rugged professionalism of Joe Calzaghe. Even in recent years, as questions about his quality of competition were cast aside in spectacular victories against undefeated Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler and in an intellectual duel with the legendary Bernard Hopkins, there remained doubters.

Let them doubt no more.

While it may not have been the prime version, 36-year old Ring Magazine Light Heavyweight titlist Joe Calzaghe (46-0, 32 KO) took apart the most motivated and steady version of Roy Jones Jr. (52-5, 38 KO) the world had seen in years on Saturday night at Madison Square Garden. The unanimous decision was a mere formality and Calzaghe overcame an early knockdown to win almost every round thereafter, leaving the 39-year old Jones, a former champion at Middleweight, Super Middleweight, Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight, beaten and bloody at the end of twelve rounds. [details]

good post.point well made

[TintaBoricua]

This is why boxing, which is a great sport I enjoy, is sometimes considered inconsistent.

You have two fighters, take a fighter like Calzaghe, which is undefeated, non-American...fighting another fighter that is a legend (regardless of how he may currently fight).

In boxing, you are solely judged on a single performance, on a single night. You get distracted or ****y and in one split second, you get caught and everything is over. You get caught, lose the fight that was competitive and you are immediately shredded by boxing analysts, critics, moved down on rankings, because of a single performance. Anything can happen at any time, boxing isn't like other sports, there's plenty of room for the "random" factor.

But anyway, I was rooting for Jones, but I predicted Calzaghe would win by decision. All the bawling going on is ridiculous about Calzaghe how he was showboating too much, how he beat an "old fighter", etc, etc...same people who gave Roy a legitimate chance. I gave Roy a chance, I just thought Joe would pull it off regardless...and I've always rooted against Calzaghe.

Just like Mayweather, Calzaghe will always be expected to perform again and again and again and again...until he loses that 0 that many want to see him lose so desperately. Calzaghe could fight Dawson, beat him in a unanimous decision (7 rounds to 5) and people would either claim:

1-) Dawson was too inexperienced, he should've had a couple more fights
2-) Dawon deserves a rematch
3-) Calzaghe should fight Roy again
4-) Calzaghe should fight B-Hop again
5-) Calzaghe should continue fighting until he loses at nearly 40, so we may be able to say, "See! I told you! He got exposed!" (forgetting the fact that his loss, if it occurred, would be way past his prime)

Everyone wants to see a legend fall, especially when there's this "rivalry" going on.

I personally would like to see Calzaghe continue fighting, but if he retires...big deal.

-They didn't give him a chance against Lacy, he schooled him ("But Lacy was inexperienced!")

T-hey didn't give him a chance against Hopkins, he beat him ("But Hopkins was old!")

-They didn't give him a chance against Roy, he beat him ("But Roy didn't do anything!").

As far as I'm concerned, Calzaghe has proven the critics wrong many times (even before Lacy, I assume), he can retire with relative ease...as much as I'd want to see him lose. Just giving my point of view.

[K-Nan]

You're right. The Kessler fight was the one that put Calzaghe on the map. This fight was really a showcase. It didnt mean much, if anything on paper.

both the Kessler and Lacy fights- even the Hopkins win- have more significance than this.

[K-Nan]

I agree with your assessment 100%. Calzhage has proven himself a great fighter. I covered this fight live at press row, for a local publication in NY. Calzhage deserves credit but I hesitate to heap anymore credit on this victory, than is merited. This was not a defining victory by any means.

I have followed the careers of both gentleman, live on many occasions. Having said that, the man Calzhage fought tonight was not "RJ", it was OJ (Old Jones). I watched from ringside and sat next to Steve Farhood, who commented that the RJ of a few years ago would have knocked out Calzhage, in the first round, when Roy had him hurt.If this was RJ from 5 years ago, Calzhage would have been down and out.Again I think Calzhage is a great fighter, however I wish he would take the chance and fight Chad Dawson. Having said that, it was a great night and damn those Welsh women!

Amen, brother. I've always said that it takes a little more than an examination of Roy from '04 to now to make your conclusions.

[Roger Mellie]

This is why boxing, which is a great sport I enjoy, is sometimes considered inconsistent.

You have two fighters, take a fighter like Calzaghe, which is undefeated, non-American...fighting another fighter that is a legend (regardless of how he may currently fight).

In boxing, you are solely judged on a single performance, on a single night. You get distracted or ****y and in one split second, you get caught and everything is over. You get caught, lose the fight that was competitive and you are immediately shredded by boxing analysts, critics, moved down on rankings, because of a single performance. Anything can happen at any time, boxing isn't like other sports, there's plenty of room for the "random" factor.

But anyway, I was rooting for Jones, but I predicted Calzaghe would win by decision. All the bawling going on is ridiculous about Calzaghe how he was showboating too much, how he beat an "old fighter", etc, etc...same people who gave Roy a legitimate chance. I gave Roy a chance, I just thought Joe would pull it off regardless...and I've always rooted against Calzaghe.

Just like Mayweather, Calzaghe will always be expected to perform again and again and again and again...until he loses that 0 that many want to see him lose so desperately. Calzaghe could fight Dawson, beat him in a unanimous decision (7 rounds to 5) and people would either claim:

1-) Dawson was too inexperienced, he should've had a couple more fights
2-) Dawon deserves a rematch
3-) Calzaghe should fight Roy again
4-) Calzaghe should fight B-Hop again
5-) Calzaghe should continue fighting until he loses at nearly 40, so we may be able to say, "See! I told you! He got exposed!" (forgetting the fact that his loss, if it occurred, would be way past his prime)

Everyone wants to see a legend fall, especially when there's this "rivalry" going on.

I personally would like to see Calzaghe continue fighting, but if he retires...big deal.

-They didn't give him a chance against Lacy, he schooled him ("But Lacy was inexperienced!")

T-hey didn't give him a chance against Hopkins, he beat him ("But Hopkins was old!")

-They didn't give him a chance against Roy, he beat him ("But Roy didn't do anything!").

As far as I'm concerned, Calzaghe has proven the critics wrong many times (even before Lacy, I assume), he can retire with relative ease...as much as I'd want to see him lose. Just giving my point of view.

couldnt have put it better,that is by far the best and most succinctly put post of the day.well done

[Sudo]

This is why boxing, which is a great sport I enjoy, is sometimes considered inconsistent.

You have two fighters, take a fighter like Calzaghe, which is undefeated, non-American...fighting another fighter that is a legend (regardless of how he may currently fight).

In boxing, you are solely judged on a single performance, on a single night. You get distracted or ****y and in one split second, you get caught and everything is over. You get caught, lose the fight that was competitive and you are immediately shredded by boxing analysts, critics, moved down on rankings, because of a single performance. Anything can happen at any time, boxing isn't like other sports, there's plenty of room for the "random" factor.

But anyway, I was rooting for Jones, but I predicted Calzaghe would win by decision. All the bawling going on is ridiculous about Calzaghe how he was showboating too much, how he beat an "old fighter", etc, etc...same people who gave Roy a legitimate chance. I gave Roy a chance, I just thought Joe would pull it off regardless...and I've always rooted against Calzaghe.

Just like Mayweather, Calzaghe will always be expected to perform again and again and again and again...until he loses that 0 that many want to see him lose so desperately. Calzaghe could fight Dawson, beat him in a unanimous decision (7 rounds to 5) and people would either claim:

1-) Dawson was too inexperienced, he should've had a couple more fights
2-) Dawon deserves a rematch
3-) Calzaghe should fight Roy again
4-) Calzaghe should fight B-Hop again
5-) Calzaghe should continue fighting until he loses at nearly 40, so we may be able to say, "See! I told you! He got exposed!" (forgetting the fact that his loss, if it occurred, would be way past his prime)

Everyone wants to see a legend fall, especially when there's this "rivalry" going on.

I personally would like to see Calzaghe continue fighting, but if he retires...big deal.

-They didn't give him a chance against Lacy, he schooled him ("But Lacy was inexperienced!")

T-hey didn't give him a chance against Hopkins, he beat him ("But Hopkins was old!")

-They didn't give him a chance against Roy, he beat him ("But Roy didn't do anything!").

As far as I'm concerned, Calzaghe has proven the critics wrong many times (even before Lacy, I assume), he can retire with relative ease...as much as I'd want to see him lose. Just giving my point of view.

Best post today.