How was Roy Jones P4P #1 for so many years?Why didnt he ever step up his competition?

[bsrizpac]

That makes no sense, Verse.

Neither does the threadstarter or his fixation with Zach Morris' ass in chaps.

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1. its not so much that roy was really ducking a number of fighters, more so that he wasnt fighting the best ones available at the time. fighting dudes like frazier when you are the p4p champ is just ******ed. he moved up to fight ruiz when there was bigger paydays and better opposition in the division.

2. YES RUIZ SUCKS! honestly, the only people ruiz has beaten are the ones that are as slow and boring as he is. holyfield had pretty much fell off by the time he fought ruiz, also he didnt beat valuev(who has to be the worst 7 footer on the planet) last time i checked. as for the other three, do i even need to speak about any of them? especially rahman.... ruiz has never shown any signs of being a truly great heavyweight. if roy jones didnt beat ruiz, you would probably be bashing ruiz right about now. put ruiz in with peter, lewis, klitschko, brock, thompson, haye; they would all embarrass him.

What were bigger paydays than a HW title fight?

[kenso]

What were bigger paydays than a HW title fight?

a HW title fight with lewis?

[The Scientist]

oh boy

when jones fought frazier (and many other opponents on that level), that was the best opponent/contender jones could come up with? there wasnt a better fighter willing to fight jones? come on.

also can a 10 year old not watch the sport of boxing?

people give jones credit for beating ruiz, but the fact is ruiz was not a legit heavyweight champ, he sucks, hes always ******, i dont know how he manages to find his way to title shots these days. there are SERIOUSLY lightweights that can beat john ruiz. jones being a "heavyweight champion" sounds ALOT better than "jones beat john ruiz". if ruiz didnt have a belt no one would have given a ****. i think jones would have had trouble with a fast hard hitting heavyweight maybe like david haye, and lennox lewis would have absolutely crushed him. if he wanted to make some kind of statement by moving into heavyweight, fight someone legit, not john ruiz. there were far better choices than john ruiz, just like there were far better choices than frazier.

what ever consume yourselves with the thought of jones' ****, but while he had a great career, my argument is that he was not what a p4p champ represents, he was no where near the p4p champ that pac is, and not even mayweather (even though i hate mayweather).

i like jones, hes not a bad guy, but he did not represent what a p4p champ should represent, therefore he was completely over rated.

1)You would have to ask his management about that, there are many reasons why big fights don't happen, Dariusz is really the only argument you could make about Jones not taking a chance that would have required him to travel when he was the champ. Jones set the bar very high by making his competition look like ****, beat James Toney who was P4P #2, shut out solid vets like Reggie Johnson, Mike Mcallum, Vinny Pazienza, Virgil Hill..tough fighters like Clinton Woods, Eric Harding, Montell Griffin, Bernard Hopkins etc. If Robert Frazier is the only example you can come at me with, your argument is trash, every fighter is allowed a few patsies once and a while.

2)There is always a degree of caution a fighter should take when he takes on huge feats...in this particular case, it doesn't matter. Jones objective was to do what no Boxer has done in 106 years since Bob Fitszimmons, and that was to win a Heavy Weight title moving up from Middle Weight then return to Light Heavy, there was no plans to stay at Heavy. Roy had done pretty much what he wanted to do at the time, was seeking a bout with Tyson but that never happened so he went for Ruiz. No matter how hard you try you can't discredit that, you just can't knock that feat. John Ruiz wasn't the best Heavy in the division, but he was legit, beating a legend like Evander in the fashion in which he did does that to you, recognize.

3)Don't get it twisted kid, I don't 'ride anybodies ****' I look at every fighter objectively and give credit and respect where it's due, if you can't understand how that works then maybe you should reach up your little ass and get that stick out of there so that you can see **** clearly.

You're entitled to your opinion though, so there is really no hating on your post, just 100% disagreement.

[bsrizpac]

a HW title fight with lewis?

Um, Jones vs Tyson was and would have been a much bigger fight. And that and a Holyfield fight were on the table. Kinda dumb for Roy to go after Lennox in his second HW fight right?

Also at the TIME, everyone was saying he "ducked" Tarver. So he went and fought him. Love how haters change their tunes later on.

[The Scientist]

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a HW title fight with lewis?[/QUOTE]

Um, Jones vs Tyson was and would have been a much bigger fight. And that and a Holyfield fight were on the table. Kinda dumb for Roy to go after Lennox in his second HW fight right?

Also at the TIME, everyone was saying he "ducked" Tarver. So he went and fought him. Love how haters change their tunes later on.

Exactly, maybe fighting Jesus himself immediately after moving to HW would have encouraged these numbskulls to give RJ the respect he deserves....

[Grimmer]

I mean for years he picked on sanitation workers and police officers. When he finally stepped up his competition he got his ass handed to him by vicious knockouts and was exposed.

Please help me out because I'm confused as to how he was so called "The baddest man"on the planet and P4P #1??

That was Mike Tyson, not RJJ.

[Mr. Ryan]

1. its not so much that roy was really ducking a number of fighters, more so that he wasnt fighting the best ones available at the time. fighting dudes like frazier when you are the p4p champ is just ******ed. he moved up to fight ruiz when there was bigger paydays and better opposition in the division.

2. YES RUIZ SUCKS! honestly, the only people ruiz has beaten are the ones that are as slow and boring as he is. holyfield had pretty much fell off by the time he fought ruiz, also he didnt beat valuev(who has to be the worst 7 footer on the planet) last time i checked. as for the other three, do i even need to speak about any of them? especially rahman.... ruiz has never shown any signs of being a truly great heavyweight. if roy jones didnt beat ruiz, you would probably be bashing ruiz right about now. put ruiz in with peter, lewis, klitschko, brock, thompson, haye; they would all embarrass him.

1. Do you know the situation regarding Jones' promotional situations at the time and what could have held him back from making the fights with the best at that time? The best guys at 168 were Collins, Benn and Eubank. None of them were given to fighting outside of their countries. Why should the P4P best have to travel overseas? They should come to his country and take that crown.

At one point as light-heavyweight champ, Jones held these belts simultaneously:
WBC light heavyweight title ~
~ WBA light heavyweight title ~
~ IBF light heavyweight title ~
~ IBO light heavyweight title ~
~ World Boxing Foundation light heavyweight title ~
~ International Boxing Association light heavyweight title ~
NBA Light Heavyweight Title

The only belt he didn't have was the WBO, which was held by Darius Michaelzcewski, another fighter who never competed outside of his home turf. He was eventually upended by Julio Gonzalez, whom Jones handled with little difficulty.

I disliked Jones when he was in his prime, but give the man some credit.

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a HW title fight with lewis?

OK, I thought you meant 75

[Mr. Ryan]

2. YES RUIZ SUCKS! honestly, the only people ruiz has beaten are the ones that are as slow and boring as he is. holyfield had pretty much fell off by the time he fought ruiz, also he didnt beat valuev(who has to be the worst 7 footer on the planet) last time i checked. as for the other three, do i even need to speak about any of them? especially rahman.... ruiz has never shown any signs of being a truly great heavyweight. if roy jones didnt beat ruiz, you would probably be bashing ruiz right about now. put ruiz in with peter, lewis, klitschko, brock, thompson, haye; they would all embarrass him.

While John Ruiz isn't fun to watch, he doesn't suck. The reason he doesn't suck is because he beats guys he isn't supposed to beat. Kirk Johnson, Holyfield, Rahman, Oquendo were all supposed to beat Ruiz and they couldn't get the job done.

No one said he was a great heavyweight but he was a good heavyweight. I didn't like Jones running around saying he was the heavyweight champion because of beating Ruiz at all, but we know what would have happened if he had fought Lewis. It'd have been suicide.