did Jones avoid the best fighters and fight so cautiously cause

[Benny Leonard]

I just read that article. You actually think its credible with phrases like:

"when the dust settles the pretenders to the throne are just that…pretenders."

"Bernard Hopkins eliminated himself by saying $3 million dollars was not enough money to be destroyed by Jones for a second time"

"Darius Michalczewski has no business being mentioned in the equation."

I mean he stops short at saying he wants to give Roy a blow job but still.

Well it was the first thing that popped up; I was being a bit lazy. HBO mentioned it during one of Roy's fights but I can't remember which one. And a while back, this topic was talked about in detail...and many people posted articles from more reliable sources.

If you have a SOURCE, please pass it along.

I'm all for information.

And at the same time, let me know about why Calzaghe didn't want to move up and face Jones Jr.?

[-Hyperion-]

everyone jones couldve fought has admitted or has been exposed to ducking jones......(except to my knowledge, collins and calzaghe...calzaghe didnt really push for the fight though...and collins is wisely regarded as not that good...)

admited: eubank-benn(theyve also said jones ducked them, but who cares, at least on one ocation this guys have said they avoided jones, with no reason to do so.)

exposed: hopkins(didnt want a 60-40 with a guy who was a much larger draw,(especially considering hopkins had only fought once in a year after the trinidad victory, losing a lot of momentum) at a weight jones hadnt made for like 6 years...

dariusz, who went to the usa to see jones break hills ribs and decided he was better off at home....

rocciegani.......pulled out of the fight like one month before asking for more money if i remember correctly.....


everyone else around, jones fought.......

besides, even HBO has admitted Jones went and signed papers giving HBO the right to pick his opponent...and all the perceived threats priced themeselves out....

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Well it was the first thing that popped up; I was being a bit lazy. HBO mentioned it during one of Roy's fights but I can't remember which one. And a while back, this topic was talked about in detail...and many people posted articles from more reliable sources.

If you have a SOURCE, please pass it along.

I'm all for information.

And at the same time, let me know about why Calzaghe didn't want to move up and face Jones Jr.?

Most links Ive got allude to Roy Jones being the one who demanded ridiculous purses for the fight. Such as here:

http://www.********boxing.com/ubp0302.html

"So far a Michalczewski-Jones showdown was prevented by the unrealistic high purse demands of Roy Jones. In an interview displayed by German Pay-TV channel Premiere last Saturday Jones said he would demand $10 million for a fight against the undefeated WBO champion."

Where is there any evidence that Calzaghe "didnt want" to move up and face Jones? He called him out repeatedly along with Hopkins on British television. And Joe has been wanting to move to 175 for years but never got the right fight. He was supposed to fight Glen Johnson at 175 but got injured.

Jones actually said he wanted to move back to 168 because he said he couldnt find challengers at 175 but it never happened.

[Chase8400]

Most links Ive got allude to Roy Jones being the one who demanded ridiculous purses for the fight. Such as here:

http://www.********boxing.com/ubp0302.html

"So far a Michalczewski-Jones showdown was prevented by the unrealistic high purse demands of Roy Jones. In an interview displayed by German Pay-TV channel Premiere last Saturday Jones said he would demand $10 million for a fight against the undefeated WBO champion."

Where is there any evidence that Calzaghe "didnt want" to move up and face Jones? He called him out repeatedly along with Hopkins on British television. And Joe has been wanting to move to 175 for years but never got the right fight. He was supposed to fight Glen Johnson at 175 but got injured.

Jones actually said he wanted to move back to 168 because he said he couldnt find challengers at 175 but it never happened.

What do ya know, a fake thread to support your opinion!

For the record:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ree****yaluss
to be fair... julio caesar gonzalez beat DM....

Roy pitched a shut out against Gonzalez

You:quote:This is just lazy logic.

Roy got knocked out cold twice in the months following that.

I did not catch the "following that" part. Either way, a poorer version of Gonzalez handily beat DM, making the claim that he ever had a chance at beating Jones irrelevant, IMO. If you would like to keep your opinion on the matter, so be it. I'm done with trying to convince you. I should know better from our previous encounters, as should you with myself.

A few things that can be said from our encounter is that:

1)There is a post here stating that Jones and B-hop were #1 and #2 at the time they fought, making them the best middleweights at the time they fought. HBO recognizes all the organizations, so they would not state IBF rankings only as the acual rating, instead using the Ring rankings as the acual mediator.

2)Based on another thread, that was acually valid 3rd party source DM offered Jones a fight with ridiculous numbers and was turned down based on money/logistics. He in no way, ducked Dariusz. That was the proof, you ask for , whether you accept it or not.

3)You know DM would have got his ass handed to him against Jones, so a fight with him means **** all now. See the thread i started for the overall opinion of the obvious outcome of that fight, had it happened.

4)Lastly, you have provided jack **** for proof of any of your statements and everything you have said falls on deaf ears and should be passed off as being exactly what they are. OPINIONS.

As for being a role model: If your son does not see you ******* off to **** sites, are you a poor role model or does that erase the fact that it does happen? Think about that.(I don't know if you have children or not, but I certainly hope not for their sake.)

Have a good life. This is the last time you get the pleasure of getting a response from me due to your dillusion.

[Benny Leonard]

Most links Ive got allude to Roy Jones being the one who demanded ridiculous purses for the fight. Such as here:

http://www.********boxing.com/ubp0302.html

"So far a Michalczewski-Jones showdown was prevented by the unrealistic high purse demands of Roy Jones. In an interview displayed by German Pay-TV channel Premiere last Saturday Jones said he would demand $10 million for a fight against the undefeated WBO champion."

Where is there any evidence that Calzaghe "didnt want" to move up and face Jones? He called him out repeatedly along with Hopkins on British television. And Joe has been wanting to move to 175 for years but never got the right fight. He was supposed to fight Glen Johnson at 175 but got injured.

Jones actually said he wanted to move back to 168 because he said he couldnt find challengers at 175 but it never happened.

Can you send me the link through the mail system.

The fight would never happen in Germany; Roy made that clear. The 10 million would be either his way of getting out of the fight in Germany or making it lucrative enough in his mind to take the risk fighting in Germany. 10 million is hard to turn down.

The few million he was offered is b.s.; he can make that here fighting a sparring partner.

But, 10 million is what Roy wanted, right, and not what was offered?

And to top it off, Roy was going to be paid less than Darius. Roy's ego isn't going to allow that.


Calzaghe: Calling someone out is much different than taking the action to do so. Hatton used Mayweather to promote his fights for years but avoided fighting Floyd until he saw fit...which was at a point when Floyd started to look vulnerable/cautious as a fighter.

All Calzaghe had to do is step up to 175 and come to America. HE DIDN'T DO IT.

Frank Warren isn't exactly a saint, but he did give his opinion, which was interesting.

The fact remains, Joe still could have moved up and get a fight with somebody.

The right fight is fighting at 175. Fight numbers 1-5...pick one, and fight one just to get your name in the mix.

For Jones being at 175 instead of 168. The Fact is, 175 is the higher weight class and is the more Legacy driven class. There is more glitz/glamour being called the Light-Heavyweight Champion than Super-Middle-Weight Champion.

Joe has to go to Roy, not the other way around.

[Jim Jeffries]

Just thought I would point out something. The triangle theory doesn't work in boxing.
Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins, twice. Pavlik beat Taylor twice. Yet Hopkins destroyed Pavlik.

Jerry Quarry KOd Earnie Shavers in the first round (Shavers was 28, so no excuse.)
Earnie Shavers KOd Jimmy Ellis in the first round.
Figures Quarry would destroy Ellis, right? Nope, he loses a decision.

Frazier beats Ali, Foreman absolutely destroys Frazier, Ali should be a piece of cake, right?

I could go on forever. The point is the fact that a past prime DM lost a SD to Gonzales is meaningless on determining how a fight with Jones would have gone.

I can't find enough tape on DM to make a decision. My gut says Roy was just too physically gifted for him. But to say he has an easy day and makes quick work of a guy with 20 KO defenses of a world title and without seeing this guy fight, sounds a bit funny.

[Stab Judah]

He did fight good fighters it's just that there was never another guy on his level at the same place in his career at the same time in his career to have a great fued with.

Oscar was lucky enough to have Quartey,Tito,Mosley,Vargas,Pernell in his weight class during his prime Roy wasn't.

If Toney would have stayed in shape
Hopkins came up
G-Man didn't get hurt
Nunn stayed in the mids
and some others had been a few years younger and some had came to the US, he would have had some bigger better names.

You can't always blame one person for things not working out.

Also during the most of the 90's LHV didn't have any big name fighters for him to move up against other than old guys, so he was stuck fighting smaller middle weights or cleaning up the LHV untill someone showed up which we got for a short time with Tarver.

And the WBO was still kind of new so no one was really going after it like they do today.

[jadagod]

you could say he ducked them and wasnt willing to take a risk that great fighters like him should have but..... i don't think i'd habe bet against him in his early/prime years against anyone

[Dirk Diggler UK]

What do ya know, a fake thread to support your opinion!

What fake thread?

For the record:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ree****yaluss
to be fair... julio caesar gonzalez beat DM....

Roy pitched a shut out against Gonzalez

You:quote:This is just lazy logic.

Roy got knocked out cold twice in the months following that.

I did not catch the "following that" part. Either way, a poorer version of Gonzalez handily beat DM, making the claim that he ever had a chance at beating Jones irrelevant, IMO. If you would like to keep your opinion on the matter, so be it. I'm done with trying to convince you. I should know better from our previous encounters, as should you with myself.

How do you know it was a poorer version of Gonzalez? Surely then, it was a poorer version of Dariusz who was older than Roy when he lost. Gonzalez did not lose "handily". Clearly you've never seen the fight - probably never seen a Dariusz fight. I doubt you've seen many Jones fights. Bottom line, both guys lost within the space of a few months. Dariusz by split decison, Roy by brutal KO. So their losses are rather irrelevent when you consider a match between the two in their primes.

A few things that can be said from our encounter is that:

1)There is a post here stating that Jones and B-hop were #1 and #2 at the time they fought, making them the best middleweights at the time they fought. HBO recognizes all the organizations, so they would not state IBF rankings only as the acual rating, instead using the Ring rankings as the acual mediator.

A post? You say that I post "fake evidence" but you take the word of someones post - a Jones fan at that. HBO did not state that they were 1 and 2 with the Ring. Bottom line. It was for the vacant IBF Title and they were 1 and 2 with that sanctioning body NOT overall.

2)Based on another thread, that was acually valid 3rd party source DM offered Jones a fight with ridiculous numbers and was turned down based on money/logistics. He in no way, ducked Dariusz. That was the proof, you ask for , whether you accept it or not.

No it wasnt valid. In it it stated that Hopkins was scared of getting "destroyed" by Jones amongst other obviously pro-Jones remarks. It wasnt even written by a respected or known writer. It can be thrown in the trash. That wasnt the proof I asked for. If I'd wanted to hear from a Jones fanboy, I'd talk to you.

3)You know DM would have got his ass handed to him against Jones, so a fight with him means **** all now. See the thread i started for the overall opinion of the obvious outcome of that fight, had it happened.

No I dont know. I think Jones would've won. But then again I thought Cotto would beat Margarito, I thought Tyson would destroy Douglas. Thats the beauty of boxing which you clearly dont understand. What we think will happen doesnt count. And do you think its right just because you think Jones would win that he shouldnt fight him? I think Floyd beats Margarito but that doesnt mean I dont wanna see them fight. You are not a fan if you think that way.

4)Lastly, you have provided jack **** for proof of any of your statements and everything you have said falls on deaf ears and should be passed off as being exactly what they are. OPINIONS.

And what have you provided? All you've done is take posts from other more intelligent posters and pass them off as "evidence" when they're just opinions too.

Like I said, give me one solid reason why Bernard Hopkins was the best middleweight that Jones could've fought and I'll take you seriously. Cos all you've said is "they were number 1 and 2 FACT". Theres no reasoning behind it.

My reasoning is that Hopkins had never had a significant fight, had never had a championship fight and had fought bums. How..........HOW does that make him a top 3 Middleweight? Give me one reason. I dare you.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Can you send me the link through the mail system.

The fight would never happen in Germany; Roy made that clear. The 10 million would be either his way of getting out of the fight in Germany or making it lucrative enough in his mind to take the risk fighting in Germany. 10 million is hard to turn down.

The source does not specify that the fight would have to take place in Germany. It merely states that Jones wanted $10m to fight Dariusz. A ridiculous and unreasonable demand.

The few million he was offered is b.s.; he can make that here fighting a sparring partner.

But, 10 million is what Roy wanted, right, and not what was offered?

And to top it off, Roy was going to be paid less than Darius. Roy's ego isn't going to allow that.

This is all based on the link you provided, which is clearly not credible so we can throw that out.

Calzaghe: Calling someone out is much different than taking the action to do so.

All Calzaghe had to do is step up to 175 and come to America. HE DIDN'T DO IT.

What action was Calzaghe supposed to take? Fight on undercards in America against the same average opposition he was fighting at home in front of 20,000 for more money? And even then, theres no gurantee he would get the fight. Dariusz was a more deserving challenger, undefeated in 40 odd fights and the lineal champ at 175 yet Roy wouldnt fight him - what chance did Calzaghe have?

Michael Nunn was Roy's madatory for a huge period of time at 175, yet Roy wouldnt fight him either.

Coming to America didnt help Eubank, Benn or Collins get any closer to a fight with Jones.

For Jones being at 175 instead of 168. The Fact is, 175 is the higher weight class and is the more Legacy driven class. There is more glitz/glamour being called the Light-Heavyweight Champion than Super-Middle-Weight Champion.

Joe has to go to Roy, not the other way around.

I didnt say Roy had to go anywhere. Roy was the one who suggested coming down to 168 and fighting either Sven Ottke or Calzaghe. He ended up doing neither and fighting the likes of Glen Kelly and Clinton Woods.