Why is Hopkins a "legend"?

[Steak]

i don't know blackirish...... that's some crazy triangle stuff! lol

to me most of their opponents were on par with each other.

if joe beats roy one could say joe only beat great fighters that were old and past prime.

but one could argue bernard only beat great fighters that were smaller than him.

the only difference tbh is that bernard has had more exposure in the u.s.

I know, I dont like that traingle stuff either. but it does kind of show us that Hopkins' title defences were at least on par with Joe's competition based on their head to head matchups. and because Hopkins was at a lighter weight class than Joe, he gets a tiny bit more credit for beating that level of competition than Joe does.

its close though, and their best wins pretty much came after they stepped out of their weak weight class and moved up.

Anyone that can own a divisions for a decade is a great fighter. Truly great.

would you consider someone like Virgil Hill a great fighter? other than that close loss to Hearns, he had a title at Light Heavyweight for about a decade, and probebly had more winning title defences than Hopkins did.

[WhoreUs]

At the time when he beat both Pavlik and Tarver they were very close to the top of the P4P list. Same as when he defeated Tito, and Oscar.

oscar and tito are great fighters but one can't deny the fact that they're not natural middleweights.

joe just beat the bernard that beat tarver and pavlik.

[Clegg]

I dont really like Hopkins, but his title defenses were slightly better than Joe's. I know this part is going to sound loopy, but Joppy beat Cherifi easily when Robin Reid went to split with him, so in theory theyre about the same quality of fighter.
Keith Holmes knocked out Woodhall, and Woodhall was one of Calzaghe's better wins.
Echols beat Brewer himself right before Calzaghe fought him, so I would say that he was a better win than Brewer. heard it was a wild fight.
I dont really consider the Mitchell win to be as good as some people make it out to be.
When you bring up Kessler, a Bernard fan is going to bring up Trinidad. which is a fair discussion.

and you have to remember that Bernards opponents are (in theory) supposed to be weaker than Joe's, because he defended his title at Middleweight, not Super Middleweight.

True, but Bute did better than Calzaghe against Bika and Salem, and Kessler did better against Andrade than Bute, but Calzaghe beat Kessler.

I'm not saying Calzaghe's were better, just...I disagree with your reasoning my friend.

[Clegg]

At the time when he beat both Pavlik and Tarver they were very close to the top of the P4P list. Same as when he defeated Tito, and Oscar.

So? P4P lists are meaningless. Where is Pavlik on the list now?

And Manny is top of the list too, but Oscar beating him is still

[Duke McKenzie_]

tbh...... it's a very good resume but not really great.

the only thing great about hopkins' resume is how old he was when he beat some of those guys.

pavlik is a good fighter.

tarver is a good fighter.

johnson is a good fighter.

echols , mercado and eastman are solid fighters.

the only true great fighters he beat were winky , tito and oscar. 2 natural welterweights he fought at middleweight and 1 natural super welterweight he fought at light heavyweight.

quoted for truth.

[Duke McKenzie_]

heres the thing, its all how you spin it. thats the truth. you can take something and spin negatively(as you choosing to do), or you can spin in positvely. Its all about the spin...


i could spin anyone's career in a negative way or a positive way.

Well, I partly jest, but I'm not really being "negative". It's just the total polemic in NSB where someone is either a "bum" or a "ATG".

[Flawless 2]

How is Tito a WW when he couldn't make 147 OR 154 and he KO Joppy at MW which Hopkins failed at??

Kessler done nothing his whole career
and Lacy Ni99a who

[Pugilistic™]

How is Tito a WW when he couldn't make 147 OR 154 and he KO Joppy at MW which Hopkins failed at??

Kessler done nothing his whole career
and Lacy Ni99a who

What do kessler and Lacy have to do with this thread ???

[Flawless 2]

What do kessler and Lacy have to do with this thread ???

How can they not be in it

[Pugilistic™]

How can they not be in it

because this is a thread on Bernard Hopkins.

They have nothing to do with him.