Why is Hopkins a "legend"?

[Truth]

i have to take a line from the boxing writer pedro fernandez, I don't care if he beat 20 grandmothers, thats still impressive!lol 20 defenses is an impressive, he owned the middleweight division for 10 years. take a second, and think about how long a decade is. and then consider that boxing is hard sport...the hurt buisness.

[squealpiggy]

I know...I never considered DLH, Winky GREAT winz...I also don't see alot of people doing that

Still even if you don't consider DLH, Winky GREAT winz the man is still a legend.

20+ title defenses against serious opposition

19 title defenses (one was a No Contest) against... Andrew Council? Howard Eastman? Simon Brown?

Riddle me this: If Calzaghe had fought Antwun Echols and Robert Allen three times would you say that it constituted "serious opposition"?

[WhoreUs]

19 title defenses (one was a No Contest) against... Andrew Council? Howard Eastman? Simon Brown?

Riddle me this: If Calzaghe had fought Antwun Echols and Robert Allen three times would you say that it constituted "serious opposition"?

people ridicule joe's title reign...... echols , allen , holmes , etc. really that superior to reid , mitchell , brewer , kessler?

hmmm.........

[boxinganorak]

calzaghe hasn't fought people like oscar, tito, tarver, wright and pavlik when they were younger than him. calzaghe hjas foguth nobody in their prime and beaten them decisively, NOBODY. lacy was a hyped prospect, and the hopkins fight was controversial. the kessler fight and even the reid fight were pretty competitive. b-hop did fight alot of tomato cans too, but he beat world class fighters in his 40s which is why he is a legend. mainly coz ogf his age. if he was a young fighter avoiding top names in their primes like joe then he would not be one. i would say his resume on a guy who's career went from 20-35 might fall short of legend. but for his age you gotta give him legendary status.

[WhoreUs]

calzaghe hasn't fought people like oscar, tito, tarver, wright and pavlik when they were younger than him. calzaghe hjas foguth nobody in their prime and beaten them decisively, NOBODY. lacy was a hyped prospect, and the hopkins fight was controversial. the kessler fight and even the reid fight were pretty competitive. b-hop did fight alot of tomato cans too, but he beat world class fighters in his 40s which is why he is a legend. mainly coz ogf his age. if he was a young fighter avoiding top names in their primes like joe then he would not be one. i would say his resume on a guy who's career went from 20-35 might fall short of legend. but for his age you gotta give him legendary status.

you think joe can't beat the oscar , tito and winky that bernard beat?

joe beat the same exact bernard that beat pavlik and tarver.

[Steak]

people ridicule joe's title reign...... echols , allen , holmes , etc. really that superior to reid , mitchell , brewer , kessler?

hmmm.........

I dont really like Hopkins, but his title defenses were slightly better than Joe's. I know this part is going to sound loopy, but Joppy beat Cherifi easily when Robin Reid went to split with him, so in theory theyre about the same quality of fighter.
Keith Holmes knocked out Woodhall, and Woodhall was one of Calzaghe's better wins.
Echols beat Brewer himself right before Calzaghe fought him, so I would say that he was a better win than Brewer. heard it was a wild fight.
I dont really consider the Mitchell win to be as good as some people make it out to be.
When you bring up Kessler, a Bernard fan is going to bring up Trinidad. which is a fair discussion.

and you have to remember that Bernards opponents are (in theory) supposed to be weaker than Joe's, because he defended his title at Middleweight, not Super Middleweight.

[sparked_85]

why?.....because he keeps telling us he is.

Legend is a **** word regarding sports stars, like Duke says...we know these guys are real their not legend.

Unlike Merlin. Merlin turns Hopkins into a tree, TKO1

[WhoreUs]

I dont really like Hopkins, but his title defenses were slightly better than Joe's. I know this part is going to sound loopy, but Joppy beat Cherifi easily when Robin Reid went to split with him, so in theory theyre about the same quality of fighter.
Keith Holmes knocked out Woodhall, and Woodhall was one of Calzaghe's better wins.
Echols beat Brewer himself right before Calzaghe fought him, so I would say that he was a better win than Brewer. heard it was a wild fight.
I dont really consider the Mitchell win to be as good as some people make it out to be.
When you bring up Kessler, a Bernard fan is going to bring up Trinidad. which is a fair discussion.

and you have to remember that Bernards opponents are (in theory) supposed to be weaker than Joe's, because he defended his title at Middleweight, not Super Middleweight.

i don't know blackirish...... that's some crazy triangle stuff! lol

to me most of their opponents were on par with each other.

if joe beats roy one could say joe only beat great fighters that were old and past prime.

but one could argue bernard only beat great fighters that were smaller than him.

the only difference tbh is that bernard has had more exposure in the u.s.

[BennyST]

i have to take a line from the boxing writer pedro fernandez, I don't care if he beat 20 grandmothers, thats still impressive!lol 20 defenses is an impressive, he owned the middleweight division for 10 years. take a second, and think about how long a decade is. and then consider that boxing is hard sport...the hurt buisness.

That's the truth .. err, Truth.


Anyone that can own a divisions for a decade is a great fighter. Truly great.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

tbh...... it's a very good resume but not really great.

the only thing great about hopkins' resume is how old he was when he beat some of those guys.

pavlik is a good fighter.

tarver is a good fighter.

johnson is a good fighter.

echols , mercado and eastman are solid fighters.

the only true great fighters he beat were winky , tito and oscar. 2 natural welterweights he fought at middleweight and 1 natural super welterweight he fought at light heavyweight.

At the time when he beat both Pavlik and Tarver they were very close to the top of the P4P list. Same as when he defeated Tito, and Oscar.