just came to the conclusion hopkins was clearly robbed

[Chunk..]

Hopkins clearly took him to school, I've watched this fight to many times and it was a huge robbery, why do you think Calzaghe looked so scared waiting for the judges cards.

Hopkins completely ran out of gas and ideas towards the end of the fight. He faked a low blow so he could get a 5 minute break to get his breath.

His age DID catch up to him in that fight. A blind man and his dog could see that.

[squealpiggy]

To beat the champ you have to beat him convincingly. Did Calzaghe beat him convincingly?

I'm sorry I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with the section of the rules of the sport that states that there is a different burden on a challenger than there is on the champion to achieve victory. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

IF Joe landed solid shots Hop's face would prove it. He landed solid shots on Kessler and his face proved it. Hop didn't have a mark. Joe was swinging WILD like he has for the last few years now.

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with the section of the rules that requires a certain amount of facial damage to be displayed before victory can be awarded. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

Roy Jones will expose his wildness and make the crowd laugh at his CARELESS slapping. Joe is VERY sloppy and Jones will dance and mock him. Watch for it. He will be embarrassed.

If Calzaghe was as careless and sloppy as you say he wouldn't be undefeated. How is it he has won 45 straight fights with some 32 stoppages if he is "wild" and "sloppy"? He must have some other qualities, perhaps you could name them.

Like i said before, if you cannot find a decent punch to put on the man's
highlights for christ sake then I shoudnt have to watch the whole fight again to know hopkins was robbed (I watched the fight live so you know).

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with the section of the rules which requires that the victor have an acceptable level of highlight clips before a decision is announced. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

Its like saying michael jordan won the dunk contest but when you show the
highlights you show him making layups ..... it just doesnt make sense.

No it isn't. I think you would find it difficult to think of a less apt sports analogy than that. There are twelve rounds. Bernard Hopkins had two good rounds that he won clearly, the rest was a mixture of wild flurries and clinches. The reason I had Calzaghe winning was that he managed to land the better and more frequent punches in the majority of the rounds. His punching was sloppier than usual (because Hopkins is that good) but they weren't really any more sloppy than clinching, headbutting and feigning injury continually. And at least they were punches.

To the topic starter:

"Damn I had Bernard Hopkins edging Calzaghe in a close fight! That Split Decision awarded to the other guy was a TOTAL robbery!"

[brooklyn kid]

Hopkins completely ran out of gas and ideas towards the end of the fight. He faked a low blow so he could get a 5 minute break to get his breath.

His age DID catch up to him in that fight. A blind man and his dog could see that.

im just asking you to show me ONE punch that flushly hit hopkins


the point of boxing is to LAND punches

if calzaghes style pleases the jugdes and is how to win a fight

im going to go in the streets and start fighting like calzaghe and see how far
that gets me. bet it wont get me farther than my front porch

[them_apples]

Hopkins completely ran out of gas and ideas towards the end of the fight. He faked a low blow so he could get a 5 minute break to get his breath.

His age DID catch up to him in that fight. A blind man and his dog could see that.

you can look at it that way, but Calzaghe looked no better..flailing his arms wildly and missing..getting tagged..slapping Nard's shoulders and getting pts for it.

[brooklyn kid]

I'm sorry I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with the section of the rules of the sport that states that there is a different burden on a challenger than there is on the champion to achieve victory. Perhaps you could enlighten me.



I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with the section of the rules that requires a certain amount of facial damage to be displayed before victory can be awarded. Perhaps you can enlighten me.



If Calzaghe was as careless and sloppy as you say he wouldn't be undefeated. How is it he has won 45 straight fights with some 32 stoppages if he is "wild" and "sloppy"? He must have some other qualities, perhaps you could name them.



I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with the section of the rules which requires that the victor have an acceptable level of highlight clips before a decision is announced. Perhaps you can enlighten me.



No it isn't. I think you would find it difficult to think of a less apt sports analogy than that. There are twelve rounds. Bernard Hopkins had two good rounds that he won clearly, the rest was a mixture of wild flurries and clinches. The reason I had Calzaghe winning was that he managed to land the better and more frequent punches in the majority of the rounds. His punching was sloppier than usual (because Hopkins is that good) but they weren't really any more sloppy than clinching, headbutting and feigning injury continually. And at least they were punches.

To the topic starter:

"Damn I had Bernard Hopkins edging Calzaghe in a close fight! That Split Decision awarded to the other guy was a TOTAL robbery!"

you answer my all my questions except one.

why didnt joe hit bernard flush ONE TIME I MEAN COME ON COULD
YOU WIN A FIGHT NOT LANDING ONE PUNCH.

Willie pep has been put to shame

[Chunk..]

im just asking you to show me ONE punch that flushly hit hopkins


the point of boxing is to LAND punches

if calzaghes style pleases the jugdes and is how to win a fight

im going to go in the streets and start fighting like calzaghe and see how far
that gets me. bet it wont get me farther than my front porch

Calzaghe threw alot of flurries that hit arms and shoulders, and were judged punches, i'll give yer that.

[brooklyn kid]

but guess what????? hopkins ACTUALLY HIT HIM !!!!

[Pullcounter]

I thought calzaghe took it by the slimmest and flimsiest of margins but I don't think its a crazy idea to argue that Hopkins may have won that fight.

[squealpiggy]

you answer my all my questions except one.

why didnt joe hit bernard flush ONE TIME I MEAN COME ON COULD
YOU WIN A FIGHT NOT LANDING ONE PUNCH.

Willie pep has been put to shame

Depends what you mean by "flush". Hopkins landed two or three flashy counters. Calzaghe landed ten rounds worth of crappy awful slaps. Hopkins DID NOT WORK ENOUGH. Remember that the principal scoring method is to land CLEAN and EFFECTIVE punches. Hopkins' punches were CLEAN. Calzaghe's punches were EFFECTIVE as evidenced by the fact that Old Man Poppers was wrecked by the tenth. And Calzaghe landed more of them.

Here's a sports analogy: Two football teams face off. One of them scores three magnificent goals, from distance, clever highlight reel stuff, the other gets two scrappy efforts that were just as easily in as out, an own goal and one which looked like it was mis-hit... who wins? The one with four goals... This is it, boxing is scored by rounds. If you win a round comprehensively you're a point up. If you get a knockdown or have a particularly one sided round you're two points up. There are twelve rounds. This is why at the top level boxers can't afford to take rounds off.

[Mugwump]

Robbery my ass.

Hopkins took the early rounds. Calzaghe rallied to take the latter ones. Between five and eight I called it around even.

At the final bell I thought there was a good argument for a draw with one round either way perfectly acceptable.