Chad Dawson vs Joe Calzaghe

[sparked_85]

I think Dawson negates alot of Calzaghe's strengths.

Dawson should win. But Calzaghe would probably still find a way to win. Dawson should win though, he is pretty similar to Calzaghe imo, just bigger and younger.

[IMDAZED]

IMDAZED, why is it you can present your view and that's that. But when you don't like someone elses you submit one line questions of something quite a few have said, saying prove it, onus is on you? It's a little pedantic and hypocritical.

You just did the same thing you're accusing me of? And you bring up the word hypocrite? Get real. And yes, the onus is on you if you make an offhand comment as if it's truth and not opinion. Pull up your skirt and stop whining.

I've watched the Dawson Johnson fight twice, not for a couple of months but there were several points where Dawson looked as if he had no answer to Johnsons on slaughts. His face, his expressions. I can't say more than that, watch the fight back or agree to disagree. A few times in his corner he looked deflated and like he was being out hustled, and not saying much or in the way of what he needed to do. Because he didn't know what, hence it being so close and Dawson losing in many peoples eyes.

You said he looked confused. I'm still waiting for you to show me how? Was he confused as in, "I don't know how he's going to attack me?" Didn't think so. Was he getting beat during those moments? Absolutely. Having no answers doesn't mean you're confused, it just means the guy's getting the better of you. Miguel Cotto said he had no answers to Margarito. DO you think he couldn't figure out what Margarito was doing? NO, he just couldn't stop it.

These are for starters thing you never see from Calzaghe. No one's provided more detailed reasonings or predictions for either guy winning so far so tbh, back off.

You've never seen Calzaghe struggle? May I present to you his last fight where he was dropped in the first?

I've written enough.

Coming from someone who said I present my view and that's that. Funny.

In short, I'd predict Joe to be a more tactful, subtle version of an aggressive Johnson.

Huh?

He'd adapt to avoid the counters from Dawson like he did with Hopkins. He wouldn't get impatient start swinging for a KO and get into trouble as he rarely does.

Did you watch his fight with Hopkins? He kept getting caught with right hand counters because of ******, wild punches. Against Kessler too. That's always been his flaw.

His movement would be slightly better, he'd be rolling and turning way more like he often does.

True. But let's not act like he's some defensive wizard.

He's faster than both Johnson and Tarver so combined he'd be much harder to hit.

Faster than those guys, still slower than Dawson.

He also wouldn't fight in spurts like someone else here said, providing openings and allowing Dawson to gather his own confidence and pace.

Yeah, major advantage for Calzaghe here and it would be interesting to see how Dawson responds, particularly given the experience gained from someone like Glen Johnson.

Tell me in such detail, what of the things I've reasonably pointed out Calzaghe stronger than Johnson and Tarver in, and strengths would you dispute or accept? Why in such detail would Dawson beat Calzaghe?

I've pointed out several. And I'm not sure Dawson beats Calzaghe. But you seem sure of the opposite. But no, you're not presenting your view as that's that.

[P4P Opinion]

I really don't know. Dawson is quick enough, accurate enough and busy enough to beat Calzaghe; but it's naive to rule Joe out, considering his biggest strength is his mid-fight adaptability. This fight is impossible to judge because of these reasons. I'd fall slightly on the side of Dawson, because I think Calzaghe is noticeably slowing down, but I would not put money on this fight and only a fool would say one of the two would definately win.

Off Topic: Some people are getting way too excited about Dawson beating Tarver, who has been shot since he fought Hopkins. Woods made Tarver look way better than he actually is.

[Silencers]

Dawson can get outworked and he hasn't fought anyone as adaptable, I think Calzaghe's fight with Jones will show somewhat how well he deals with a guy with quicker hands than himself, if he can deal with Jones' handspeed, I'd pick him over Dawson. I know Jones isn't what he once was, but he still has very, very fast hands.

[Kris Silver]

You just did the same thing you're accusing me of? And you bring up the word hypocrite? Get real. And yes, the onus is on you if you make an offhand comment as if it's truth and not opinion. Pull up your skirt and stop whining.

I took the line out you replied to out as it was over the top. But it has been said you seem to question others quite pedantically, without submitting much yourself. Your quite knowledgeable but it can be a little annoying and time wasting, that's all.

You said he looked confused. I'm still waiting for you to show me how? Was he confused as in, "I don't know how he's going to attack me?" Didn't think so. Was he getting beat during those moments? Absolutely. Having no answers doesn't mean you're confused, it just means the guy's getting the better of you. Miguel Cotto said he had no answers to Margarito. DO you think he couldn't figure out what Margarito was doing? NO, he just couldn't stop it.

How would you prove someone is confused in a boxing match IMDAZED, you see what I'm talking about. Some things can't be proved were having a discussion on what we've seen, of course we don't know exactly whats going on in someones head were not psychic I accept. But we form views. For me and quite a few others said it as well, Dawson looked visibly confused by how the fight was going and didn't have many answers or things to counter act what was happening to him. He looked like Kessler vs Calzaghe, sat on the stool, not saying much, not enthusiastic, looked stunned, nothing in the way of discussing tactics or what may work better.

You've never seen Calzaghe struggle? May I present to you his last fight where he was dropped in the first?

Coming from someone who said I present my view and that's that. Funny.

Huh?

I didn't say he's never struggled period, and you know it. All of this is pedantic and pointless.

Did you watch his fight with Hopkins? He kept getting caught with right hand counters because of ******, wild punches. Against Kessler too. That's always been his flaw.

True. But let's not act like he's some defensive wizard.

True Calzaghe often is too open to the right hand. You'd expect a counter puncher of Hopkins level to catch him more but the 1st round was silly. He got caught with a few too many overall too, but nothing that concerning by the way of power or numbers. He had and get in there, take some of these 1/2 counters to land 3/4 himself and score.

Faster than those guys, still slower than Dawson.

Hmmm, not sure on this one feet/hand wise off hand.

Yeah, major advantage for Calzaghe here and it would be interesting to see how Dawson responds, particularly given the experience gained from someone like Glen Johnson.

The relentless aggression with no pauses would be a crucial factor I feel. When Johnson gave Dawson no time to think or try something he was on the back foot and losing, didn't respond well. Calzaghe only brings that in better form, but more consistently.

I've pointed out several. And I'm not sure Dawson beats Calzaghe. But you seem sure of the opposite. But no, you're not presenting your view as that's that.[/QUOTE]

Nope not certain and as I've said I've actually changed my mind from Dawson / Calzaghe a couple of times recently. Right now I still don't think Dawson has the stubborn ring intelligence, experience and slick ness required to out hustle Calzaghe. Certainly looks like he may well have in a year or so though, so pretty impressive at this stage of his career.

[Clegg]

I was really impressed with Chad last night.

I would give him the edge over Calzaghe, to be honest. Bigger, stronger, a good defense, a varied offense that includes combinations to both head and body, fast hands, good power etc.

I thought that Dawson would have problems with Tarver, because Tarver has good timing and power, and is a big light-heavyweight, but he put on a great performance, and looked comfortable doing it.

Maybe Calzaghe outsmarts him like he did Kessler, but Tarver is a smart, skillful fighter, but he couldn't show it last night because Dawson didn't let him. I think Dawson would beat Hopkins, Calzaghe and Pavlik.

[IMDAZED]

I took the line out you replied to out as it was over the top. But it has been said you seem to question others quite pedantically, without submitting much yourself. Your quite knowledgeable but it can be a little annoying and time wasting, that's all.

And how do you know I'm knowledgeable then? Oxymoron, much?

How would you prove someone is confused in a boxing match IMDAZED, you see what I'm talking about. Some things can't be proved were having a discussion on what we've seen, of course we don't know exactly whats going on in someones head were not psychic I accept. But we form views. For me and quite a few others said it as well, Dawson looked visibly confused by how the fight was going and didn't have many answers or things to counter act what was happening to him. He looked like Kessler vs Calzaghe, sat on the stool, not saying much, not enthusiastic, looked stunned, nothing in the way of discussing tactics or what may work better.

Ok. So you can't prove it. It's just your opinion. Well, my opinion is that while he may not have had answers, he wasn't confused. Just was getting beat. BTW, he won a close fight.

I didn't say he's never struggled period, and you know it. All of this is pedantic and pointless.

So then what did you say? You kill me.

True Calzaghe often is too open to the right hand. You'd expect a counter puncher of Hopkins level to catch him more but the 1st round was silly. He got caught with a few too many overall too, but nothing that concerning by the way of power or numbers. He had and get in there, take some of these 1/2 counters to land 3/4 himself and score.

Ok. Just wanted to point out to you that he often gets impatient and swings wildly, which YOU said he didn't.

Hmmm, not sure on this one feet/hand wise off hand.

If you're not sure who has better hand and foot speed, we're done here.

[hishaam15]

I was really impressed with Chad last night.

I would give him the edge over Calzaghe, to be honest. Bigger, stronger, a good defense, a varied offense that includes combinations to both head and body, fast hands, good power etc.

I thought that Dawson would have problems with Tarver, because Tarver has good timing and power, and is a big light-heavyweight, but he put on a great performance, and looked comfortable doing it.

Maybe Calzaghe outsmarts him like he did Kessler, but Tarver is a smart, skillful fighter, but he couldn't show it last night because Dawson didn't let him. I think Dawson would beat Hopkins, Calzaghe and Pavlik.

Chad is a good fighter an all, but u gotta understand tarver just stood there all night and let dawson throw punches in bunches, which made him look good. if he went in there with a true elite/young fighter that can counter and stay strong for 12 rounds, then we might have seen a different chad that night.

[Kris Silver]

And how do you know I'm knowledgeable then? Oxymoron, much?

Oh dear. Because you obviously watch a lot of boxing, just you have the stubbornness and attitude of Scrouge.

Ok. So you can't prove it. It's just your opinion. Well, my opinion is that while he may not have had answers, he wasn't confused. Just was getting beat. BTW, he won a close fight.

Some people thought Dawson struggled, looked confused and aprehensive against Johnson. You don't. As for proving one or the other you obviously can't really can you. But if you feel you have proof people were wrong and your right, be my guest. Essentially your saying this is your view, this is mine which is right. Prove yours. Erm, it's not something you can proves its a view of a performance, much the same as yours which you can't prove either. Doh.

So then what did you say? You kill me.

I Kill you? Here's what I said again for you;

"confused, apprehensive and not throwing enough.

These are for starters things you never see from Calzaghe."

Page 4. Let me know if you want posts re iterated and quoted to you again, it's no problem. Honest mistake I'm sure.

Ok. Just wanted to point out to you that he often gets impatient and swings wildly, which YOU said he didn't.

Your right to pick my up on that actually, he can do at times. He didn't really with Kessler much however and I don't think he would with Dawson. We'll probably never know though.

If you're not sure who has better hand and foot speed, we're done here.

So by your standards, you have proof Dawson is faster in both do you? Sorry but certainly hands it's too close to tell for sure.

[CiganoBoxer]

As much as i like Dawson,I cant help but feel he can only fight in short bursts! When he was fighting Taver he was taking every other round off ! I recon he would gass against someone with a Huge punch out put like Calzaghe!