Why do some guys get credit for defense but others don't?

[El Dominicano]

In terms of best defensive fighters of this generation though you gotta go with:
1. Mayweather
2. Hopkins
3. Zaghe
4. Tarver
5. Calderon
6. Forbes
7. Jones
8. Vitaly
9. Abraham
10. Winky

Calzaghe? His offense is his defense.
Abraham doesn't have a good workrate. Winky's defensive style is MUCH better. Winky has a GREAT offense to go with it, the Jab, Straightz and a few shots to the body. Calderon, I can agree with. RJJ...Don't think so, His speed/reflexses basically his atheleticism is what allowed him to move away from danger add that to his GREAT offense. When RJJ was drained against Tarver...did we see a GREAT display of defense NO! Just wanted to point that out.

My list would consist of

Mayweather
B-Hop
Winky
James Toney
Joan Guzman
Calderon

[pesticid]

Who's the girl in your av? Gives me a boner everytime I see it.

I encountered a Japanes Idol website and looked at her pictures and to be honest except for this one she didn't look that hot, that's why I didn't bother remembering her name.

[Jose Rizal]

I encountered a Japanes Idol website and looked at her pictures and to be honest except for this one she didn't look that hot, that's why I didn't bother remembering her name.

Really? From that angle she does. Thanks anyway.

[pesticid]

Calzaghe? His offense is his defense.
Abraham doesn't have a good workrate. Winky's defensive style is MUCH better. Winky has a GREAT offense to go with it, the Jab, Straightz and a few shots to the body. Calderon, I can agree with. RJJ...Don't think so, His speed/reflexses basically his atheleticism is what allowed him to move away from danger add that to his GREAT offense. When RJJ was drained against Tarver...did we see a GREAT display of defense NO! Just wanted to point that out.

My list would consist of

Mayweather
B-Hop
Winky
James Toney
Joan Guzman
Calderon

Abraham has as much as a workrate as Bhop yet you have Bhop at # 2. Winky's defense has been evident only in a few fights not throughout. Roy's defense before him getting koed was great. Nobody who is as aggressive as Zaghe throws as much and leaves himself open as much gets hit so little.
Tarver as much as I hate him, skateboarding on that 6 3 southpow stance is really difficult to connect with. I like Guzman on your list I forgot completely about him.

[Silencers]

Question is can you argue that Zaghe is not a great defensive fighter?

He's not, he's never been a defensive fighter, his offense is his defense most of the time.

[pesticid]

He's not, he's never been a defensive fighter, his offense is his defense most of the time.

Yet there is never been a more offensive figher with a better defense. Isn't that crazy? I mean you're supposed to get hit the most when you throw the most? Honestly, who else throws as much and gets hit so little and so not flush.

[Silencers]

Yet there is never been a more offensive figher with a better defense. Isn't that crazy? I mean you're supposed to get hit the most when you throw the most? Honestly, who else throws as much and gets hit so little and so not flush.

He does get hit, especially with counter right hands.

[pesticid]

He does get hit, especially with counter right hands.

I mean if you count a dozen punches by Kessler, half a dozen by Hopkins and none by Lacy, I guees he does get hit here and there by some counter rights.

[!! Shawn]

He's not, he's never been a defensive fighter, his offense is his defense most of the time.

That is wrong, and frankly, quite ignorant. I expected more from you. Calzaghe has very good defence.

Show me another fighter that throws 1000 punches a fight and gets hit as little as Joe.

He moves his head very well, he blocks well, and he uses his feet well.

[pesticid]

That is wrong, and frankly, quite ignorant. I expected more from you. Calzaghe has very good defence.

Show me another fighter that throws 1000 punches a fight and gets hit as little as Joe.

He moves his head very well, he blocks well, and he uses his feet well.

amen brother!