Why do some guys get credit for defense but others don't?

[pesticid]

His defense wasn't as good as it was in the later years, watching his early fights and later fights, his defense improved a lot, Tiberi, Nunn and Johnson happened when he was still developing his defense, although you could see some of the shoulder roll technique displayed in each fight. And even then, he was making Nunn miss. He was also in horrible condition for the Tiberi fight.

Griffin rarely hit him with more than one shot at a time, and Toney won those fights in my eyes.

He was weight drained for Jones and Jones is so fast there's no way to react to all the stuff he throws.

Thadzi was just a bad performance, Toney had no business losing to him.

And that's the difference there, even when Pernel was coked out he would never get hit like James got hit. And Winky had a terrible defense early on. Taylor also busted through that hight guard of his. I want to see Winky so bad against Pavlik. Can you imagina a white shark hitting a turtle. That's really what will be happening if this fight ever materializes.
Vitaly has a great defense, but nobody seems to mention it.

[Silencers]

And that's the difference there, even when Pernel was coked out he would never get hit like James got hit. And Winky had a terrible defense early on. Taylor also busted through that hight guard of his. I want to see Winky so bad against Pavlik. Can you imagina a white shark hitting a turtle. That's really what will be happening if this fight ever materializes.
Vitaly has a great defense, but nobody seems to mention it.

Yes he did, the DLH fight was his last very good performance, he was getting hit by Rivera in both their fights and Hurtado in their fight, he got hit quite a bit after the DLH fight as well when he was on coke.

Taylor didn't really bust through his guard, Winky's gloves were hitting his own face from the force of Taylor's punches, there were a few occasions of Taylor getting through but the majority of it was Winky's gloves hitting his own face from the force of Taylor's punches.

Winky was more of a mover before he adopted his turtle shell defense, he got hit way more, his hands were much lower.

[pesticid]

In terms of best defensive fighters of this generation though you gotta go with:
1. Mayweather
2. Hopkins
3. Zaghe
4. Tarver
5. Calderon
6. Forbes
7. Jones
8. Vitaly
9. Abraham
10. Winky

[El Dominicano]

Yes he did, the DLH fight was his last very good performance, he was getting hit by Rivera in both their fights and Hurtado in their fight, he got hit quite a bit after the DLH fight as well when he was on coke.

Taylor didn't really bust through his guard, Winky's gloves were hitting his own face from the force of Taylor's punches, there were a few occasions of Taylor getting through but the majority of it was Winky's gloves hitting his own face from the force of Taylor's punches.

Winky was more of a mover before he adopted his turtle shell defense, he got hit way more, his hands were much lower.

[Silencers]

I disagree with that list.

[pesticid]

Yes he did, the DLH fight was his last very good performance, he was getting hit by Rivera in both their fights and Hurtado in their fight, he got hit quite a bit after the DLH fight as well when he was on coke.

Taylor didn't really bust through his guard, Winky's gloves were hitting his own face from the force of Taylor's punches, there were a few occasions of Taylor getting through but the majority of it was Winky's gloves hitting his own face from the force of Taylor's punches.

Winky was more of a mover before he adopted his turtle shell defense, he got hit way more, his hands were much lower.

Hurtado fight? Just cause he got dropped 3 times and later almost killed the guy on the ropes he was getting hit a lot. He got flashed down a few times, but nobody really ever took a batting practice at his face.

[Jose Rizal]

Mayweather and Hopkins are always given a lot of credit for their defense.

I would argue that the more offensive fighters who were still very good defensively like Roberto Duran don't get enough of it.

Good points.

Both Floyd and Bhop take it to the extent of being overly defensive, especially Bhop in the latter stages of his career. It's more a lack of offense and a "safety first" mentality on their part where they get flak about their styles, although Floyd sometimes manages to turn his offense up a notch.

I also agree that some more aggressive fighters get less credit than they deserve while others who get hit a lot still come off as defensive geniuses.

[Silencers]

Hurtado fight? Just cause he got dropped 3 times and later almost killed the guy on the ropes he was getting hit a lot. He got flashed down a few times, but nobody really ever took a batting practice at his face.

He got hit quite a few times in that fight, Hurtado's tactics, as irritating as they were, was working quite well.

[pesticid]

He got hit quite a few times in that fight, Hurtado's tactics, as irritating as they were, was working quite well.

Question is can you argue that Zaghe is not a great defensive fighter?

[Jose Rizal]

Hurtado fight? Just cause he got dropped 3 times and later almost killed the guy on the ropes he was getting hit a lot. He got flashed down a few times, but nobody really ever took a batting practice at his face.

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