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  • Flawless 2
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    #41
    Originally posted by Tunney
    If you don't think a long reach is an advantage in boxing, then you must not have ever been in a ring yourself.

    A few people like Marciano, Hatton and Tyson learned to fight very well on the inside to compensate for their shorter arms, but if you watch the later rounds of Hatton vs. Mayweather and you can see Mayweather's reach enabled him to land punches at a distance.

    Watch Tyson vs. Lewis. Can you honestly say Lewis 84" reach didn't give him an advantage?
    Mayweather was beating Hatton on the inside and the outside, no excuses about reach.

    Tyson was way past his prime when Lewis beat him.

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      #42
      Originally posted by luckylefty731
      I beg to differ sir look at his losses

      Tyson is listed at 5'10 -11
      Douglas 6'4
      Lewis 6'5
      Holyfield 6'2
      McBride 6'6
      Williams 6'3
      Now he did beat some bigger HW but at 5'10-11 there arent much HW that are smaller height wise then him. But in comparision excluding Holy 4 or more inches is considerably bigger. Holy is Tyson is 5'10 is 4 inches bigger. I still thinki Tyson is closer to 5'11 but I am not an offical governing body so be it....Lefty
      Tyson was shot to bits against McBride, Williams and Lewis.

      He also had his best wins against taller men. Ruddock, Tucker, Holmes, Bruno, Biggs, even Spinks.

      as far as tua. the weight did slow him down. he was at his best at 210-215. also another disadvantage tua has is his era had much larger opponents that rocky's or even mike's to a slight degree. most of rocky's opponents were around 6 foot or so for the most part which isn't too bad for the 5'10 rocky. in today's era 6'2 or 6'3 guys are considered small heavyweights.
      Byrd and Ibeabuchi didn't really beat Tua because of height or reach.

      Lewis was the one fight in which Tua's lack of height and reach really cost him but he also came in overweight and slow which made his chances to win even worse.

      Tua had most of his fights against opponents who were 6'2-6'3. It's the average height for a heavyweight even now, we just forget about it with giants like Wladimir, Vitali, Bowe and Lewis.

      Povetkin, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Maskaev, Rahman, Ruiz, Peter, Brewster...
      Last edited by TheGreatA; 10-02-2008, 09:29 AM.

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        #43
        Originally posted by TheManchine

        Byrd and Ibeabuchi didn't really beat Tua because of height or reach.

        Lewis was the one fight in which Tua's lack of height and reach really cost him but he also came in overweight and slow which made his chances to win ever worse.
        byrd beat tua with his defense and jab and overall slickness.

        ike DID NOT beat tua. period.

        being taller and with a longer reach would certainly have helped tua though. he's about 5'10 and has a 69-70 inch reach. who's to say he couldn't have done better if he was taller or had a longer reach.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
          byrd beat tua with his defense and jab and overall slickness.

          ike DID NOT beat tua. period.

          being taller and with a longer reach would certainly have helped tua though. he's about 5'10 and has a 69-70 inch reach. who's to say he couldn't have done better if he was taller or had a longer reach.
          I don't know. His build is what allows him to throw a short left hook like he does, maybe it helps with his punch resistance also.

          I would say so if he was taller with the same chin and power.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Silencers
            Ruslan Chagaev vs Nikolay Valuev
            anyone vs Nikolai Valuev

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              #46
              Originally posted by Flawless 2
              WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

              Thank you very much, boxer like Tyson and Marciano were smart boxer. They made their disadvantage to an advantage
              They also had to work incredibly hard to get inside by slipping punches. A lot of the time they ate heavy leather on the way inside too.

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                #47
                Originally posted by TheManchine
                I don't know. His build is what allows him to throw a short left hook like he does, maybe it helps with his punch resistance also.

                I would say so if he was taller with the same chin and power.
                he'd probably fight different if he was taller too. it's all hypothetical anyway.

                i don't care about tua's height or reach as much as his WIDTH.

                a prime tua at about 210-215 would've done better against lewis imo. i don't know if he could beat someone as good as lennox but he would've done better.

                although...... i think 6'5 is a bit tough for him. maybe it took a little off his power having to punch that high? i don't know...... he landed some shots on lennox but lennox took it pretty well.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by luckylefty731
                  I beg to differ sir look at his losses

                  Tyson is listed at 5'10 -11
                  Douglas 6'4
                  Lewis 6'5
                  Holyfield 6'2
                  McBride 6'6
                  Williams 6'3
                  Now he did beat some bigger HW but at 5'10-11 there arent much HW that are smaller height wise then him. But in comparision excluding Holy 4 or more inches is considerably bigger. Holy is Tyson is 5'10 is 4 inches bigger. I still thinki Tyson is closer to 5'11 but I am not an offical governing body so be it....Lefty
                  Originally posted by Flawless 2
                  What about those fighters taller than him that he beat that you did not name. Watch TheMachines video, his opponents average height was 6'2 or 6'3
                  Pay attention sir. Please see the highlighted area for my comments in regards to those opponents I did not name specifically sir....Lefty

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                    #49
                    Corrales/Mayweather is a bad example btw, and you got the official height wrong.

                    Floyd actually won by fighting the "taller" fight. Corrales tried to get inside (without using a jab) and Floyd used his reach and tore Diego up from the outside with sharp counters and lead left hooks.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                      he'd probably fight different if he was taller too. it's all hypothetical anyway.

                      i don't care about tua's height or reach as much as his WIDTH.

                      a prime tua at about 210-215 would've done better against lewis imo. i don't know if he could beat someone as good as lennox but he would've done better.

                      although...... i think 6'5 is a bit tough for him. maybe it took a little off his power having to punch that high? i don't know...... he landed some shots on lennox but lennox took it pretty well.
                      I agree. Frazier and Tyson also got worse when they were 10-20 lbs above their best fighting weight.

                      Frazier came in both fights against Foreman as heavy as Foreman although he was around 205 for his best performances.

                      Tyson was at his best when he was 210-220 lbs but at the end of his career he got up to 225-235, noticeably slower than in his prime.

                      Marciano was smart enough to retire before that happened to him. He was having problems getting down to his usual 185 lbs and decided to call it quits.

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