The MMA Walls are Closing in on Boxing

[We want Floyd]

Apples Oranges.

GTFOH!!

It's not exactly apples and oranges. MMA and boxing ain't exactly the same, but it belongs in the same category Combat Sports.

So yes, there are people who used to only pay attention to boxing and now that time is divided. If 500 people used to devote their free time and treat themselves to a PPV boxing event . Now that MMA has arrived, that 500 had to have diminished somewhat. Especially folks on a budget who can't afford a boxing PPV and an MMA event going on in the same month.

Just recently I decided to order a UF* PPV instead of a boxing PPV. Now, back then, that wouldn't have happened. So yes, it can go both ways. But now the UFC and boxing are in a tug -of- war for their fans' hard earned $$$ and UFC is just about to pull the rope off of boxing!

[Cadillac Man]

So many points to make out this **** article, I guess I'll just point out a few:

1)Why do Boxing sites talk about MMA? Or cover MMA? MMA sites don't cover Boxing so why would any Boxing site cover MMA! If you want MMA talk or news go to a MMA site!

2)If MMA was gonna kill off Boxing why then is every MMA org dying off faster than rabbits ****. IFL folded,Elite X/C lost over 30 million last year and it's last show did half it's first ratings on CBS. Affliction was in dire straits till GBP came to help out and that won't last long. Pride folded! UFC is the only org making money! Ask yourself this if the Coutoure did a PPV by himself without UFC name how many PPV's would he do? NOT MANY 4 SURE

3)MARKETING: That is the major problem for Boxing it is marketed very poorly. They need 2 get it out to the people they need to come up with new ideas to market the sport.

4)Ratings: The last fightnight Wed on ****e did a 2.3 rating. If you think about that, that is PISS POOR. They have a netork that reaches 90 million while HBO did a 2.1 for Calzghe-B-Hop in April while they only reach 30 million viewers. There PPV's dont do much better than Boxing and when Boxing puts on a superfight UFC can't hold a candle to Boxing. Wait till Pac-Man-DLH and even Calzaghe-Jones and then go ahead and still think Boxing is dying.

5)ETHNIC PRIDE: Finally and most important Boxing is an ethnic sport. Since the days of ***ish,Italian,Irish and German Boxers came to America there own people supported them and this still exists today with different ethinc groups.

When Boxing disappears from Mexico,Cuba,Puertorico,Phillipines,Britian and the rest of europe then I'll worry until then I ain't worried about Boxing dying.

[Chups]

I can watch both....but boxing is more exciting to me. If an exciting fighter/fighters come out of MMA then I would be more interested.

[bsrizpac]

And I'm real cool with that, honestly.

What I'm wanting is a respect in striking philosophy in MMA. Yeah, the striking is going to look like crap, but you never seen boxers handle natural shoots, clinche to submission combos or even clinch to throw combos.

There's a totally different way of thinking about striking in MMA. Just try asking questions and learn.

Useless excuse. MMA striking is crap. Mostly because of the UFC and inferior athletes. Don't get me started with the Dana White brand excuses.

There's no reason those *******s don't know how to strike for ****. A takedown has nothing to do with striking incompetence.

[We want Floyd]

So many points to make out this **** article, I guess I'll just point out a few:

1)Why do Boxing sites talk about MMA? Or cover MMA? MMA sites don't cover Boxing so why would any Boxing site cover MMA! If you want MMA talk or news go to a MMA site!

2)If MMA was gonna kill off Boxing why then is every MMA org dying off faster than rabbits ****. IFL folded,Elite X/C lost over 30 million last year and it's last show did half it's first ratings on CBS. Affliction was in dire straits till GBP came to help out and that won't last long. Pride folded! UFC is the only org making money! Ask yourself this if the Coutoure did a PPV by himself without UFC name how many PPV's would he do? NOT MANY 4 SURE

3)MARKETING: That is the major problem for Boxing it is marketed very poorly. They need 2 get it out to the people they need to come up with new ideas to market the sport.

4)Ratings: The last fightnight Wed on ****e did a 2.3 rating. If you think about that, that is PISS POOR. They have a netork that reaches 90 million while HBO did a 2.1 for Calzghe-B-Hop in April while they only reach 30 million viewers. There PPV's dont do much better than Boxing and when Boxing puts on a superfight UFC can't hold a candle to Boxing. Wait till Pac-Man-DLH and even Calzaghe-Jones and then go ahead and still think Boxing is dying.

5)ETHNIC PRIDE: Finally and most important Boxing is an ethnic sport. Since the days of ***ish,Italian,Irish and German Boxers came to America there own people supported them and this still exists today with different ethinc groups.

When Boxing disappears from Mexico,Cuba,Puertorico,Phillipines,Britian and the rest of europe then I'll worry until then I ain't worried about Boxing dying.

The thing is though, DLJoto and Floyd carry boxing, one is retired, their PPV#s jack up the averages and kinda gives a deceiving figure. I mean, Floyd vs DLjoto did 2mill, Floyd vs Hatton did about 850k after that, the next highest grossing fight was PAC vs MAB II @ 350k.

UFC on the other hand, none of its PPV rates don't have the numbers that Floyd and DLJoto have pulled, but it's consistently higher than boxing's.

UFC's success so far has shown that it doesn't stop with Liddell and Couture, even their other PPV events outsell most of boxing's PPV's. UFC has a healthy consistent PPV sales, were as boxing has a huge gap between the DLJ's and Floyds PPV compared to the rest of boxing's PPVs.

DLH is to boxing what UFC is to MMA. I'd rather rely on an organization, rather than an individual. UFC without Liddell or Couture can still come up with 500k to 650k PPV buys. With boxing, with DLH soon to be out of the picture and Floyd already gone, you went from 2million to 350k.

[aztec_warriors]

Comparing mma to boxing is like comparing drag racing to thoroughbred horse racing... Mma is more less attracting people that don't know a lick about fighting, probably WWE/WWF fans... if you look closely you'll see how mma has adapted much from boxing as far as organizing itself... from having rounds, judges, corners advising on stools along with a cutman, scoring, mitts to warm up prior to entering the ring, etc... I remember seeing Holyfield sitting as spectator at an mma event, probably as a guest of the network televising cuz he sure didn't sound excited to be there, and one of the commentators mentions the glove size and how in mma they're much smaller - Holyfield replied "if in boxing we used gloves that small the fight wouldn't last 2 rounds...". And I'm sure mma fighters have learned to respect the "sweet science" as they're realizing fans enjoy the fighting on their feet and not mounted on each other. There's a finesse to boxing, an art of breaking your opponent down, a high level of skill is needed to be successful (unlike mma i.e. Kimbo Slice,) a test of wills (there are no tap-outs, if you get knocked down you get a count and have to get up and fight again, unlike mma,) it is exactly what its monicker calls it - a science... Mma is a window for other disciplines to come into the spotlight and has a LONG way to go

[pelonxsoldier28]

oh god, not this bull**** again. so basically they're saying boxing is dieing again? get real

[Cadillac Man]

So your saying once DLH is gone that's it? Another star will never rise? You know they said the same thing once Louis,Robinson,Ali,Leonard, and Tyson retired. RJJ-Tito did 530K,Cotto-Margo did close to 500K,Pac-JMM did 400K so Boxing does just fine in comparison to UFC numbers. UFC biggest fight in years will be Coutoure-Lesnar in Nov and that won't come close to DLH-PAC and I'll bet it will be on par with RJJ-Calz numbers.

If u like MMA/UFC fine to each it's own but anyone that says UFC is gonna kill off Boxing is being fooled. Think about it a sport that has international competitions and followings with a long and storied history is gonna be killed by a sport that has only been big for 2 years? C'mon that's NONSENSE

[TRAVI$]

If there are people out there like me
They will begin to tire of the UFC.

[snake]

Hey boxing fans, don't act like UFC fans who spit on boxing all the time. Show some class and respect towards other combat sports. Showing respect will make MMA fans look childish in their insults on boxing.

Kickboxing and muay thai have been around forever, yet boxing fans never talked trash on those sports, mainly because they were never marketed well in the U.S.

The UFC does something very good that boxing does not - they stack their undercards with great competitive matchups. This makes buying a ppv show less of a risk than boxing - if the UFC main event stinks, more than likely one or two of the undercard fights will be great and make the purchase worth it. A boxing ppv, if the main event stinks, you're out of luck, and you're lucky to begin with if you even get to see an undercard fight. Part of that has to do with the UFC being able to afford great undercards as the fighters have lower salaries, but it is what it is...MMA fighters are not spoiled on ppv money as boxers are.

Most MMA fans do not know what they are looking at when they watch a boxing fight, just like many boxing fans don't know what they are seeing in an MMA fight until you spend time understanding what you're seeing. Given that, I just don't see how MMA fans used to 15 minute fights can sit through a 45-minute Winky Wright fight.

A lot of punching in MMA looks weird because they cannot use a boxing stance or they'll get tackled to the ground instantly. A lot come from kickboxing backgrounds and a boxing stance doesn't lend itself to throwing kicks or defending the takedowns. Plus, while those with a kickboxing background can throw down pretty good, those with wrestling or judo backgrounds (where most mma fighters come from, NCAA wrestling in particular) tend to be sloppy with punching. That is to be expected though, you can't expect someone who never threw a punch in his life before age 25 to suddenly be a boxing wizard.