Lets compare Floyd Mayweather with Pernell Whitaker

[!! Shawn]

That's hard to say because both of them haven't faced as slick a fighter as each other. I do think Whitaker's jab would work great for him in this fight but Mayweather would have his moments as well.

Close but clear decision to Whitaker I think.

Floyd is anything but slick when facing southpaws. Hands up and comes forward. We saw it vs Corley, we saw it vs Judah, we would see it against Whitaker.

The shoulder roll does not work against southpaws, Floyd is forced to fight like every other fighter, and when he is forced to fight like every other fighter, he is less than impressive. Not nearly impressive enough to give Whitaker any problems.

[pbftxrs316]

what floyd has over pernell is flexibility overall, not just upperbody movement, but flexibilty overall. floyd has better blocking than pernell in any part of the ring. on the ropes, he counters much better than sweet pea does, on the ropes and in the pocket. what you guys don't really get is how good floyd goes to the body. not just jabbing, just overall bodywork. pernell is a great fighter, no doubt, but floyd's overall speed is what would just floor pernell. sweet pea is a great defensive artist in this matchup, but floyd's speed overall, meaning, everything is much faster than sweet pea's. floyd feinted better than sweet did, and threw punches sharper than sweet pea. pea used his jab more, but floyd's jab had the better snap to it and he could jab very well from a feinting position. he had more power than sweet pea and had better accuracy overall, especially when it came to countering. because floyd could counter with either hand better than sweet pea could and he had more snap to his punches.

i'll add more later but floyd imo would beat sweet pea, and was more skilled than him.

[!! Shawn]

That's hard to say because both of them haven't faced as slick a fighter as each other. I do think Whitaker's jab would work great for him in this fight but Mayweather would have his moments as well.

Close but clear decision to Whitaker I think.

Although it is a Judah slanted highlight, it really shows how poorly Floyd does fighting southpaws. There is no way he comes even CLOSE to beating Whitaker fighting like that.

[Silencers]

Floyd is anything but slick when facing southpaws. Hands up and comes forward. We saw it vs Corley, we saw it vs Judah, we would see it against Whitaker.

The shoulder roll does not work against southpaws, Floyd is forced to fight like every other fighter, and when he is forced to fight like every other fighter, he is less than impressive. Not nearly impressive enough to give Whitaker any problems.

He fought a ****** fight against Corley though, much more offensive than we're used to seeing, he fought a better fight against Judah and he fought that way because he knew Judah wouldn't be able to take the pressure for too long, he let Judah throw his shots in the early going them started going forward to wear Judah down, which is what happened.

But I agree, Whitaker would make Mayweather go to him, it'd be an interesting fight either way.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Floyd would've beaten him.

[Hisoka]

Perfect timing for this topic. Both fighters are two of my all time favorites along with Jones and Leonard. Over the past three days I watched nearly every single Pernell Whitaker fight in one of the most amazing marathons. I re-learned just how amazing Sweet Pea really was. You can never grasp everything to it's fullest until you've seen every ounce of a fighters career.

His first "loss" to Jose Luis Ramirez was a flat out joke. I hadn't seen it it years till just the other day and it made me bust out laughing. But he didn't complain and whooped that ass a second time around. The draw against Julio Cesar Chavez was pathetic. After 12 rounds of making Chavez look bad, they rob him of the honor of being the first man to defeat the legend. Now on to the DLH fight, honestly I watched that earlier today and it was a very close fight. I don't think either of them won decisively. I had it a draw and could see 1-2 points in favor of either fighter depending on what you're looking for. But the score card was bogus and if anything a no where near prime Whitaker succeeded in making the youngin look real bad for the first time in his career. Flashes of the Whitaker of old in that fight for sure.

Jab: Pernell Whitaker with a doubt. Floyd like Roy never bothered much with the jab since they were both so gifted to get away without using on. Floyd threw right hand leads like nobody's business and would just lunge in and out with ease. Pernell lived by the jab and was always the most impressive when he was throwing it to set everything up.

Power: Floyd Mayweather gets this without thinking twice. Pernell wasn't much of a finisher outside of a few early knockouts and almost killing Diosbelys Hurtado in a come back victory damn near knocking him outside of the ring with a massive amount of left hands. He was a distance man and was always ready for 12 solid rounds. Floyd on the other hand has more pop than often credited for. Of course he's not going to KO huge welterweights double his size and guys like Carlos Baldomir who wouldn't even feel a sledgehammer. But in the lower weights he used and abused most guys and imposed his will. He wasn't a one punch artist, but would suffocate you with barrages and make the ref step in a lot of the time. Other times it would just be the accumulation of punches that would leave his man with nothing left to do but drop. There is simply no comparison in terms of power.

Chin: DRAW? Both guys have been hit flush every once and a while. In my opinion Floyd has shown to take a punch better. However, he didn't put himself in danger to be hit as much as Pernell did towards the middle/late part of his career. Honestly, Pernell was dropped like 11 of so times in his career, though most were while his was ducking down or just off balance. He would normally get up right away and continue right where he left off. Floyd had quite a few fights in the lighter weights where he looked to exchange (people forget) during the time period where Roger took over and wanted to be more exciting. He sure as hell was in my opinion. Both guys have a pretty damn good chin. Sweet Pea's was tested on a more consistent basis, but Mayweather always responded very well and would punch you back right away.

Accuracy: I have no idea what so ever on this one. Both are amazingly precise.

Stamina: I've never seen either tired before. There were a few fights where Whitaker didn't come in the greatest of shape, but even then he was there punching till the end of the 12th round. Floyd has always come into every fight in amazing shape and I've never even seen him breathe heavy. Rather tied here, but I'll go with Floyd just on a conditioning level.

Body Puncher: I agree that Mayweather is an underrated body puncher. They really start to add up when he throws them straight down the pipe. But Pernell throws some that make he down right cringe. You could literally feel it sometimes. Floyd has the edge in power again, but Pernell is better overall.

Combinations: Both guys started throwing less and less combinations when they went up in weight. I'm giving the nod to Whitaker because he was a bit more busy but bother were quite similar. When I'm watching either of them I see flashes of the other when they're throwing combinations.

Footwork: I'll say Floyd since he's been more consistent. Pernell didn't move around much anymore and became more of a flat footed slugger. Sometimes he would trip himself up thought by trying to do a little to much. Floyd is in a little bit more control and uses it a little better. But a draw might be in order here.

Better fighter when they're back is against the rope: Floyd Mayweather hands down. He could live on the ropes all night and make you pay. Pernell didn't really lay on the ropes too much. The second he got there he would twirl both himself and his opponent around. Usually followed up by an ass slap lol. So we don't really have much to go by. Mayweather on the other hand is insane on the ropes. He'd often just make the other guy punch himself out and take advantage later on. The shoulder roll to ****ing perfection.

Overall Defense: I'd agree that it's more of a draw. Pernell was better and moving around his upper body and Floyd was better at using his legs. But that's while standing in the middle of the ring. As said before, Floyd was a wizard at countering off the ropes.

I was thinking a lot over the past few days as to who would have won if both fought in their prime. The answer? I have no god damn clue. I can say this much though. Floyd Mayweather has never fought anyone like Pernell Whitaker and Pernel Whitaker has never fought anyone like Floyd Mayweather. I'd pay to have a time machine in order to set this one up. But I'd like to add one thing that might make me lean just slightly in favor of Mayweather. He has the edge when it comes to staying calm and sticking to the game plan. But both were fantastic at reading the opponent and switching gears when need be.

[El Dominicano]

Perfect timing for this topic. Both fighters are two of my all time favorites along with Jones and Leonard. Over the past three days I watched nearly every single Pernell Whitaker fight in one of the most amazing marathons. I re-learned just how amazing Sweet Pea really was. You can never grasp everything to it's fullest until you've seen every ounce of a fighters career.

His first "loss" to Jose Luis Ramirez was a flat out joke. I hadn't seen it it years till just the other day and it made me bust out laughing. But he didn't complain and whooped that ass a second time around. The draw against Julio Cesar Chavez was pathetic. After 12 rounds of making Chavez look bad, they rob him of the honor of being the first man to defeat the legend. Now on to the DLH fight, honestly I watched that earlier today and it was a very close fight. I don't think either of them won decisively. I had it a draw and could see 1-2 points in favor of either fighter depending on what you're looking for. But the score card was bogus and if anything a no where near prime Whitaker succeeded in making the youngin look real bad for the first time in his career. Flashes of the Whitaker of old in that fight for sure.

Jab: Pernell Whitaker with a doubt. Floyd like Roy never bothered much with the jab since they were both so gifted to get away without using on. Floyd threw right hand leads like nobody's business and would just lunge in and out with ease. Pernell lived by the jab and was always the most impressive when he was throwing it to set everything up.

Power: Floyd Mayweather gets this without thinking twice. Pernell wasn't much of a finisher outside of a few early knockouts and almost killing Diosbelys Hurtado in a come back victory damn near knocking him outside of the ring with a massive amount of left hands. He was a distance man and was always ready for 12 solid rounds. Floyd on the other hand has more pop than often credited for. Of course he's not going to KO huge welterweights double his size and guys like Carlos Baldomir who wouldn't even feel a sledgehammer. But in the lower weights he used and abused most guys and imposed his will. He wasn't a one punch artist, but would suffocate you with barrages and make the ref step in a lot of the time. Other times it would just be the accumulation of punches that would leave his man with nothing left to do but drop. There is simply no comparison in terms of power.

Chin: DRAW? Both guys have been hit flush every once and a while. In my opinion Floyd has shown to take a punch better. However, he didn't put himself in danger to be hit as much as Pernell did towards the middle/late part of his career. Honestly, Pernell was dropped like 11 of so times in his career, though most were while his was ducking down or just off balance. He would normally get up right away and continue right where he left off. Floyd had quite a few fights in the lighter weights where he looked to exchange (people forget) during the time period where Roger took over and wanted to be more exciting. He sure as hell was in my opinion. Both guys have a pretty damn good chin. Sweet Pea's was tested on a more consistent basis, but Mayweather always responded very well and would punch you back right away.

Accuracy: I have no idea what so ever on this one. Both are amazingly precise.

Stamina: I've never seen either tired before. There were a few fights where Whitaker didn't come in the greatest of shape, but even then he was there punching till the end of the 12th round. Floyd has always come into every fight in amazing shape and I've never even seen him breathe heavy. Rather tired here, but I'll go with Floyd just on a conditioning level.

Body Puncher: I agree that Mayweather is an underrated body puncher. They really start to add up when he throws them straight down the pipe. But Pernell throws some that make he down right cringe. You could literally feel it sometimes. Floyd has the edge in power again, but Pernell is better overall.

Combinations: Both guys started throwing less and less combinations when they went up in weight. I'm giving the nod because he was a bit more busy but bother were quite similar. When I'm watching either of them I see flashes of the other when they're throwing combinations.

Footwork: I'll say Floyd since he's been more consistent. Pernell didn't move around much anymore and became more of a flat footed slugger. Sometimes he would trip himself up thought by trying to do a little to much. Floyd is in a little bit more control and uses it a little better. But a draw might be in order here.

Better fighter when they're back is against the rope: Floyd Mayweather hands down. He could live on the ropes all night and make you pay. Pernell didn't really lay on the ropes too much. The second he got there he would twirl both himself and his opponent around. Usually followed up by an ass slap lol. So we don't really have much to go by. Mayweather on the other hand is insane on the ropes. He'd often just make the other guy punch himself out and take advantage later on. The shoulder roll to ****ing perfection.

Overall Defense: I'd agree that it's more of a draw. Pernell was better and moving around his upper body and Floyd was better at using his legs. But that's while standing in the middle of the ring. As said before, Floyd was a wizard at countering off the ropes.

I was thinking a lot over the past few days as to who would have won if both fought in their prime. The answer? I have no god damn clue. I can say this much though. Floyd Mayweather has never found anyone like Pernell Whitaker and Pernel Whitaker has never found anyone like Floyd Mayweather. I'd pay to have a time machine in order to set this one up. But I'd like to add one thing that might make me lean just slightly in favor of Mayweather. He has the edge when it comes to staying calm and sticking to the game plan. But both were fantastic at reading the opponent and switching gears when need be.

Dude I'm still reading everything! Before you go! Any info on Hunter x Hunter?!!!

[Hisoka]

I'll send you a PM in a few.

[El Dominicano]

I'll send you a PM in a few.

K thanks alot man. I really want the series to continue. By the way I'm done reading it. GREAT post. Even when the other has an edge on something it isn't by much.

[wpink1]

floyd was very active in the lower weights... I think many are simply remembering him at the welter division.