yeah roy never looked good on the ropes.
Bernstein:Roy Jones is a great athlete; he’s not a great fighter
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Most commentators should be taken just as seriously as the next poster on this board. I have been "WATCHING" fights for a long time too, and I feel alot of so called "commentators" couldn't do near as good a job commentating as me. I like this forum because we are all good commentators, actually better than the Merchants of the world. Sometimes I could swear they are in somebodys pocket, or "TOLD" to pay attention to one guy more than the other. RJJ is a great fighter no matter what! PERIOD! Go back in supermiddleweight history and match RJJ up aginst anyone who has "EVER" boxed at that weight, 9 times out of 10 Jones beats them all. I must say that when AL says not a great FIGHTER, he means that in a Gatti type of fashion. Gatti was a great FIGHTER/BRAWLER but only a GOOD boxer.Comment
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i am more knowledgable than that tube Jim WattMost commentators should be taken just as seriously as the next poster on this board. I have been "WATCHING" fights for a long time too, and I feel alot of so called "commentators" couldn't do near as good a job commentating as me. I like this forum because we are all good commentators, actually better than the Merchants of the world. Sometimes I could swear they are in somebodys pocket, or "TOLD" to pay attention to one guy more than the other. RJJ is a great fighter no matter what! PERIOD! Go back in supermiddleweight history and match RJJ up aginst anyone who has "EVER" boxed at that weight, 9 times out of 10 Jones beats them all. I must say that when AL says not a great FIGHTER, he means that in a Gatti type of fashion. Gatti was a great FIGHTER/BRAWLER but only a GOOD boxer.
i cant believe that tool was a pro fighter when he commentates he contradicts the action
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that's like a really old interviewAL Bernstein Q&A
RD: Do you think Roy Jones’ legacy will be hurt by his recent losses?
Bernstein: Yes it will. It will because it’s proof positive of something I’ve said many, many times. Roy Jones is a great athlete; he’s not a great fighter. Never has been a great fighter. He never made himself a great fighter. He didn’t work at his craft hard enough to be a great fighter. But he’s a great athlete, and so he ended up being great in the ring. When his quickness and some of his physical skills started to fail him, he had nothing else left to go back to. He didn’t have the technique.
very controversial
RD: How will history view Bernard Hopkins?
Bernstein: Well, I think he’s doing a lot to secure that legacy. As a businessman he could’ve hurt that legacy a lot because he did such a poor job after the Trinidad fight of capitalizing [on it]. But I think he’s one fight away from being thought of as one of the two or
three best middleweights of all time. He may already be there.
RD: Where do you rank Lennox Lewis on the all-time Heavyweight Champion list?
Bernstein: Really high. For this reason, he’s a very big man who has a great jab and a powerful right hand and fights tall. When he’s at his best, who’s going to beat him? If I take Lennox Lewis at his best, fighting as well as he can fight, I don’t know how many heavyweights
I’d pick him to lose to, simply because of his size and his physical stature and the way he fights. Who’s going to get to him? I don’t know. Not Rocky Marciano.
RD: Maybe prime Tyson?
Berstein: No, not Mike Tyson, in my mind. If we see Lewis at his best stylistically, he’s a tough match-up for Tyson. Would Joe Frazier be able to? I don’t know. Stylistically it’s not a good match for him. Would George Foreman be able to do it? The old Foreman would’ve had a hard time because he would have been less skilled. Foreman in later years does have that punishing jab, but that’s nullified by Lewis’ jab.
Let’s go right to the biggies. Ali. Does Ali have to beat him? I don’t know. Not if Lewis doesn’t chase him and get low, if he stays tall. Why does Muhammed Ali beat him? What does he hit him with?
Joe Louis, the most skilled heavyweight fighter of all time - possibly too small, [Lennox] Lewis can stay on the outside. Does Louis hit him?
I don’t know the answer to those questions. While Lennox Lewis’ overall resumé might not rival some of those people, I’m not sure how they beat him.Comment
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I think you hit a good point here , most of the younger guys see Alis prime as Frazier Foreman era , I feel this period was the second coming of Ali and was a good bit below his prime , his toughness was always there it just never got questioned in his prime because of his awesome speed , that speed of hand and feet was only 70% of what it was after the forced 3 yr lay off , Lewis would be way to slow for Ali in my opinion the speed difference and combination punching is Ali's way by a big margin .I actually think Ali tends to be underrated by hardcore boxing fans, almost as though because casuals see him as "The Greatest" we have to go out of our way to say he isn't. If Lennox could beat Ali it would be mostly due to his size, but I think skillswise Ali was in a different class to Lewis and this combined with his mobility means I would pick Ali to outbox him most times out of ten.Comment
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this is Roy jones he relied on his reflexs and speed throughout his whole career. (name one time u saw Roy Jones block or parry a punch in his prime) so when the heavyweight come down and age of the sport took his toll he didnt no what to do he didnt adjust..because in his prime he never lost. All great fighters lose and Roy losses believe it or not make u better because they show how much u got in you to come back. Hence ALi he lost to frazier and Norton and came to beat them back 2x Look at Roy he lost to Tarver and Johnson in brutal fashion...and what does he do he doesnt rematch johnson and in a rubber fight with Tarver just showboats and then says i didnt wanna win cause of my dad........do u think Ali would have said that.....Roy Jones= great talent...no heartComment
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roy showed heart in the first Tarver fight. And Roy is showing heart now by continuing to fight. He could left after that Johnson Ko, that was brutal. Also Ali was 31 when he avenged his loss to Norton. And 32 when he avenged his Frazier loss. Roy was 35 and 36, thats a difference. 31-32 is still prime years of an athlete.this is Roy jones he relied on his reflexs and speed throughout his whole career. (name one time u saw Roy Jones block or parry a punch in his prime) so when the heavyweight come down and age of the sport took his toll he didnt no what to do he didnt adjust..because in his prime he never lost. All great fighters lose and Roy losses believe it or not make u better because they show how much u got in you to come back. Hence ALi he lost to frazier and Norton and came to beat them back 2x Look at Roy he lost to Tarver and Johnson in brutal fashion...and what does he do he doesnt rematch johnson and in a rubber fight with Tarver just showboats and then says i didnt wanna win cause of my dad........do u think Ali would have said that.....Roy Jones= great talent...no heartLast edited by Truth; 08-31-2008, 09:55 PM.Comment
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at the age of 35, most fighters with that kind of style fade and eventually lose around that age. Eaxamples: Sweet Pea, Ali, SRR, SRL, and the list goes on. Everybody slows down at that ageComment
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