Bernstein:Roy Jones is a great athlete; he’s not a great fighter

[Chunk..]

I'm not throwing him under a bus. He deserves to be remembered for his skill and speed, which was different class. Thread is about whether or not he was a 'great boxer' which he was because he was excellent at it, but it doesn't mean I can't note that he had a few flaws.

Also, it is my job to disparage Roy at every opportunity.

Every fighter has some flaws. Some cover it up well with a padded record supplied by Frank Warren.

[Dynamite Kid]

Bernstein is the moustache guy from Showtime right? I didn't actually know that he didn't specialise in boxing, but he ought to know it pretty good as he's been covering it for a lot of years and a lot of big fights.

yeah

i think he is one of the more knowledgeable commentators obviously i think he is talking out his arse here saying Jones was not a great fighter and he did not work on his craft etc but on the whole he does a pretty good job breaking down fights etc

i dont agree with him that Lewis would beat Muhammad Ali either BTW

[abadger]

Every fighter has some flaws. Some cover it up well with a padded record supplied by Frank Warren.

Joe's biggest flaw is the gap between how good his abilities actually are and how good the average American can believe them to be.

Also, he is crap at showboating.

[Ryn0]

Roy is both. He is a great all around athlete and you don't get to P4P number one without SOME sort of boxing ability. He just had an unorthadox style. His punch technique most of the time was brilliant and even when he'd pull something totally unorthadox it worked. He is a great fighter who's athletiscm covered his flaws (until it started to fade)

[abadger]

yeah

i think he is one of the more knowledgeable commentators obviously i think he is talking out his arse here saying Jones was not a great fighter and he did not work on his craft etc but on the whole he does a pretty good job breaking down fights etc

i dont agree with him that Lewis would beat Muhammad Ali either BTW

I actually think Ali tends to be underrated by hardcore boxing fans, almost as though because casuals see him as "The Greatest" we have to go out of our way to say he isn't. If Lennox could beat Ali it would be mostly due to his size, but I think skillswise Ali was in a different class to Lewis and this combined with his mobility means I would pick Ali to outbox him most times out of ten.

[Chunk..]

Joe's biggest flaw is the gap between how good his abilities actually are and how good the average American can believe them to be.

Also, he is crap at showboating.

Joe's biggest flaw is telling himself that reitiring undefeated would be his biggest achievement.

What's an '0' with out a list with names on it? He will have regrates when he looks back. Am sure he will.

[Truth]

"and so he ended up being great in the ring. "-Bernstein

So therefore he was a great fighter, fighting is what he did in that ring. lol

[Kball15]

Its true in a lot of ways. Look at James Toney. Took some much time to master the craft, that when he lost all his speed and reflexes, he had a tremendous amount of skill to fall back on

[abadger]

Joe's biggest flaw is telling himself that reitiring undefeated would be his biggest achievement.

What's an '0' with out a list with names on it? He will have regrates when he looks back. Am sure he will.

The only thing I can see him regretting is that he never got a crack at a prime Roy, the rest of them Johnson, Tarver etc are all much of a muchness. He'll be happy with the Hopkins win IMO. Also, he must realise he could easily lose to prime Roy but I bet he does think he would win.

[Dynamite Kid]

I actually think Ali tends to be underrated by hardcore boxing fans, almost as though because casuals see him as "The Greatest" we have to go out of our way to say he isn't. If Lennox could beat Ali it would be mostly due to his size, but I think skillswise Ali was in a different class to Lewis and this combined with his mobility means I would pick Ali to outbox him most times out of ten.

Ali had more skill but i dont think he had as good a Boxing brain as Lennox Lewis

Lewis has plenty of skill aswell just not as much as Muhammad Ali ,Lewis was a very good counter puncher

i think where Ali edges Lewis in a fight is speed,stamina,jab

Lewis could be outjabbed even though he had a good jab himself