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I'm not trying to pick a fight with you dude because I think on the whole you are a pretty good poster. I will say though that your hatred of Roy is pretty astounding. All you have said when I asked you what you have against him was that he was a business boxer who got a double standard. Do you not appreciate the skill at all though, even acknowledging that he may not have fought A level comp all the time? I just cannot understand how you can sit through some of his fights and at least not acknowledge him as an incredible talent.Comment
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Its funny how people gauge it differently. Although it is only his opinion that RJJ wasnt a great fighter. He beat other great fighters, so that is how you compare it. He might not be a great tecnician in his opinion, but he was a great athlete. And to being a great athlete is part of the package isnt it, if it helps you to win fights.
If RJJ beat JT 9 times out of 10. Would you not say RJJ is a better boxer? Or he was just the better athlete?
DOes it matter? RJJ beat JT 9 times of 10.Last edited by hugh grant; 08-31-2008, 06:55 PM.Comment
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The point that he mentions great athlete in the comment says to me when he says fighter he is meaning conventional as in technique , not as in achievement and ring ability at his best , its just a play on words and some people only see what you highlighted and nothing more .
But in the end Bernstein is a conditioner not the all seeing eye , I dont agree with his comment that prime Ali couldn't beat prime Lewis , he asks how could it happen my answer in one word speed .Comment
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While I believe that Bernstein has good intentions with what he says, it is really obvious that he has never been in the ring himself.
When he went on his rant about why Marquez Vasquez II shouldn't have been stopped I was just shaking my head. Every fighter knew the second Marquez was done. Bernstein did not.
As a non participant, it is very difficult for Bernstein to appreciate the skill, and technique Roy Jones incorporates into his fighting style.
There are some things that you simply cannot learn from watching. Bernstein is a perfect example of that.Comment
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if roy didnt have skills, how did he win this fight? he was a complete BADASS. its obvious the weight draining got to him and i think he can get back to top form in time. i really do. this is my favorite fight of his.. but if you watch him when he was younger, hes even faster than most people think. if you havent seen him when he was young you dont know how fast roy really was. it's inhuman. he's basically a legend. he's an archtype of the badass light skinnted pimp
Last edited by Talon; 08-31-2008, 06:59 PM.Comment
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When Roy fought Ruiz, a fighter that out weighed him by about 35 pounds... he knew that he needed to use a fast jab to keep Ruiz at bay all night... and he did just that.
When Roy fought Virgil Hill... he kept giving him an over hand right, Roy said he noticed Virgil started adjusting, and expecting, the overhand right... so Roy feinted with the overhand right, and went underneath to the body, and KOed him with a body shot.
When Roy fought Grffin in the rematch, he said he noticed how Montell was a bit hunched over, and did so even more when he would move... so Roy let his left arm hang down in anticipation of an uppercut, to take advantage of Montells stylistic flaw. The rest is history.
Those are not examples of athletic ability, those are examples of a thought process, a game plan, and an execution.
Roy Jones Jr. is a great fighter whose athletic abilities coupled with his understanding of the game is what put him on the next level. Not just his athletic ability.
Otherwise Kobe Bryant and Lebron James should be able to come in and do exactly what Roy has done.
And they can't.Comment
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Come on. this article is bull****. Jones JUST being a greatly athletic and not a great fighter? First of all, he has talent, boxer dream about. He was a great amateur. Was an olympian, right ? So he was already a good fighter before he even joined the pros. Look what he's also done, if you just a great athletic fighter but not a great fighter, you don't win world titles from middleweight, to heavyweight. Alside from that, he is a GREAT fighter. a possible ATG. And after moving down from heavyweight, he clearly fell off his game because of the muscle loss due to weight loss. i'd whip my ass with this article.Comment
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i dont disgaree with any of this especially the part about Jones being a top amateur and featuring in the Olmypics as the most outstanding Boxer in the tournament
the way Bernstein spoke in this article you would think Jones did not have an amatuer career and he was playing American football all his life and decided to turn to pro Boxing at the age of 25
ironically enough Jones has more of a schooling as a top amateur fighter as apose to one of Bernstein's favourite fighters James ToneyComment
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