Muhammad Ali- Was he the greatest heavyweight?

[RockyMarcianofan00]

That means absolutely nothing, Muhammad Ali didn't train for that fight NOR take it seriously... it was A FILM in combination with a computer that was less powerful then a modern calculator... Marciano trained very hard for that fight. A prime, trained Ali would beat him... the fact of the matter is he is too fast and fancy, can absorb too much punishment, has a concrete chin and whilst losing on points the rock wouldn't be able to drop him.

WOW it never said Rocky Was in shape what it said is he had to train hard to work off some weight in order for anyone to take it seriously when that was filmed he weighed 240 something pounds...had he been down to his normal 185 and younger he would of crippled ali prime or not and u saw what ali said "I can't believe how strong and how hard Rocky can hit," he said.

"Marciano was a lot harder to hit with a jab then he looked. I can feel how great Marciano must have been just from being in the ring with him when he was 46 years old. I can't even imagine what Rocky must have been like in his prime."
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[Heckler]

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=26&more=1

Heres a link of a sports writer commenting on the matter, good article, no doubt Marciano would be a handful... but inevitably lose to 67' Ali.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

thats a dead link
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[butterfly1964]

well if u need proof as to the fact that an out of shape Marciano wasn't only stronger then ali in his prime but a better person look at this site of when they were filming the comp sim

http://www.mackinacmedia.com/SuperFight/history2.htm

Marciano even though he was still alittle out of shape and old wanted to turn it into a real fight

Marciano respected ali but ali had little respect for maricano

Ali even said
"I can't believe how strong and how hard Rocky can hit," he said. "Marciano was a lot harder to hit with a jab then he looked. I can feel how great Marciano must have been just from being in the ring with him when he was 46 years old. I can't even imagine what Rocky must have been like in his prime."

oh, so ali wasn't out of shape too? ali was about 25lbs over weight during the layoff, but no he is the same ali in '67 getting it handed to him by an old out of shape marciano as you say. the fact is that the computer fight was probably made up by white marciano fans who were mad that ali didn't join the army so they made him lose.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

oh, so ali wasn't out of shape too? ali was about 25lbs over weight during the layoff, but no he is the same ali in '67 getting it handed to him by an old out of shape marciano as you say. the fact is that the computer fight was probably made up by white marciano fans who were mad that ali didn't join the army so they made him lose.

its funny cause its not like i'm making up stuff i'm seeking that facts and ur just coming up with excuses. There's no proof at all that white marciano fans made the fight and even if they did u can't say they made the words out of his mouth up
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[butterfly1964]

its funny cause its not like i'm making up stuff i'm seeking that facts and ur just coming up with excuses. There's no proof at all that white marciano fans made the fight and even if they did u can't say they made the words out of his mouth up

i'm saying that you said an old marciano hurt him, but ali was out of shape, and he couldn't dance, so that doesn't prove anything.

[Heckler]

[[[[Joe Frazier should have grown a little thicker skin.]]]]
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You should grow some brains, but we realize you can't grow something from nothing. Frazier's kids were getting into fights at schools with kids mimicking Ali and calling their father a Tom or a gorilla. Ali was incredibly racist back then though it ain't PC to admit it today since he matured.

Your a ****en moron, Muhammad Ali belonged to the nation of islam for a short period of time... in this time he believed in SEPERATISM NOT RACISM... in other words he believed in black independence and he didn't believe in interacial marriage... BUT he still liked white people, his trainer was white... he respected many a white folk, funnily enough he was a friend of howard corsell. After he left the nation of islam he became an ORTHODOX ****** and his ideals changed... he believed in unity.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

also if i'm not mistaken he fought Carmine Vingo (6'4 and 230LBS about) and he had (if i'm not mistaken) a longer reach then ali
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[RockyMarcianofan00]

i'm saying that you said an old marciano hurt him, but ali was out of shape, and he couldn't dance, so that doesn't prove anything.

well i'm not completely sure what ur saying but ali said himself that he can't imagine rocky in his prime and thats enough for me but nobody can take ali being a great fighter away from him
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[butterfly1964]

also if i'm not mistaken he fought Carmine Vingo (6'4 and 230LBS about) and he had (if i'm not mistaken) a longer reach then ali

and who is vingo, ...exactly, nobody. ali is not vingo, or whoever he is. ali would dehumanize rocky with his stinging jabs.